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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    ...Though I am a Christian I think there’s some merit to the argument that interpreting Genesis limits God in a sense.....
    No shit, Sherlock. Anyone who limits God to a book written by mankind is limiting God. Sure, you're free to believe it was inspired by God, but let's not forget a man actually wrote each section and mankind is a flawed instrument at best.

    Consider these ideas: Is there any doubt God created man with a brain? If so, then isn't the expectation that man would use that gift?

    God created the Universe and all the natural laws that govern it. Isn't studying God's creation divine work?

    If God is all powerful, all knowing and all merciful, then God could have imprinted any special knowledge such as the Bible onto our brains or written it in the stars. This didn't happen. Two reasons why could be 1) God doesn't exist or 2), as I believe, part of the puzzle is to figure out on our own.

    The purpose of school is to teach children. What can they learn if they are given all the answers or some kids are treated more special than other kids? I doubt God would be that unmerciful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    It helps to assume that human evolution has occurred. As pointed out—and as you tacitly conceded, interpreting fossils is a subjective enterprise. If one *assumes* evolution they are more apt to ‘see it’ in the fossils.

    I can’t think of another area of science that operates that way.

    And it’s not your fault the Australopithecus——> Man sequence is jumbled. Australopithecus was clearly a kind of ape like animal but the rest are quite arguably human. The one real test of speciation is the interfertility test: if a Homo erectus could mate with a Homo sapiens and produce fertile offspring—they are the same species. But that experiment is impossible so we are forced to speculate.

    There is *plenty* to be skeptical about with evolution. And it’s broader and more ‘ambitious’ claims would probably be rejected except there’s nothing to replace it with. At least nothing that can be considered given science’s commitment to philosophical naturalism.
    You do not seem to be practicing skepticism.

    You seem to be either directly or tacitly taking the posture that scientific uncertainty somehow provides evidence of providential design.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    All areas of science include subjectivity, opinion, and speculation.

    Repeatability and self-correction are generally what set science apart from other intellectual endeavors.

    Fossils are hard, tangible data. They can be directly observed, measured, compared, tested.

    The higgs boson, quarks, and quantum entanglement cannot be observed or even directly detected. No one one has ever seen them. We can only infer their existence by indirect detection and higher mathematics.

    I am pretty sure anatomically modern homo sapiens did not overlap in time with homo erectus. To the extent we have homo erectus DNA, it was not by direct procreation, but passed down a genetic pathway through intermediate variants of archaic humans.

    I do not see how a reasonable person, using their mental faculties of induction and inference, could possibly look at the four million year record of a progression from archaic human variants up to anatomically modern homo sapiens and still declare that biological evolution is in grave doubt.
    The ‘reasonable person’ argument isn’t very scientific. I don’t see how a reasonable person could ignore the circumstantial evidence for a lab leak of the CCP virus. Neither does Jon Stewart.

    Since we can’t run the interfertility test, how do we know that Homo erectus and Homo sapiens are two different species? A leap of faith?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    You do not seem to be practicing skepticism.

    You seem to be either directly or tacitly taking the posture that scientific uncertainty somehow provides evidence of providential design.
    The other side of that coin is that uncertainty could provide a safe place for philosophical naturalists.

    ‘We may never know the answers to some of these questions’.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    The other side of that coin is that uncertainty could provide a safe place for philosophical naturalists.

    We may never know the answers to some of these questions’.
    A defeatist attitude. Better, more positive to say "the search for answers continues"....but some dipshits aren't content to understand the work involved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    The ‘reasonable person’ argument isn’t very scientific. I don’t see how a reasonable person could ignore the circumstantial evidence for a lab leak of the CCP virus. Neither does Jon Stewart.

    Since we can’t run the interfertility test, how do we know that Homo erectus and Homo sapiens are two different species? A leap of faith?
    Do you listen to yourself? Agreed, a reasonable person wouldn't ignore the problem, but a reasonable person also understands the meaning of "circumstantial evidence" and reacts reasonably.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    The other side of that coin is that uncertainty could provide a safe place for philosophical naturalists.

    ‘We may never know the answers to some of these questions’.
    "Man cannot and will never ever fly."

    "Pigs will not fly."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    Do you listen to yourself? Agreed, a reasonable person wouldn't ignore the problem, but a reasonable person also understands the meaning of "circumstantial evidence" and reacts reasonably.
    Accusing someone based on circumstantial evidence is risky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    Accusing someone based on circumstantial evidence is risky.
    Could be. Legally it doesn't mean much internationally. Accusing and proving are two different things. Better to work with the Chinese on this than trying to pin them for the blame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    There is no God
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    Fixed it for ya!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    Could be. Legally it doesn't mean much internationally. Accusing and proving are two different things. Better to work with the Chinese on this than trying to pin them for the blame.
    How do you manage to stay so uninformed?

    Regardless of it’s origin, the CCP lied to the world about human to human transmission while they allowed their nationals to board international flights. Oddly, the same thing that would be done had the virus been engineered and released as a bio weapon.

    China was the only entity that could have kept it confined within China. And, for whatever reasons, they didn’t.

    But again, the point is there is *already* sufficient grounds to blame the CCP for the pandemic. But our leaders lack the balls to do it, so yeah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Micawber View Post
    Fixed it for ya!
    "There is no God as described in the Bible" would be a more accurate statement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    How do you manage to stay so uninformed?...
    I don't know. Why do you think I'm uninformed? Or that you are a stable genius?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    How do you manage to stay so uninformed?

    Regardless of it’s origin, the CCP lied to the world about human to human transmission while they allowed their nationals to board international flights. Oddly, the same thing that would be done had the virus been engineered and released as a bio weapon.

    China was the only entity that could have kept it confined within China. And, for whatever reasons, they didn’t.

    But again, the point is there is *already* sufficient grounds to blame the CCP for the pandemic. But our leaders lack the balls to do it, so yeah.

    61 in three...two...one.
    They did try to confine it. Hence the reason for bricking up the entrances to stores and other places.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    No shit, Sherlock. Anyone who limits God to a book written by mankind is limiting God. Sure, you're free to believe it was inspired by God, but let's not forget a man actually wrote each section and mankind is a flawed instrument at best.

    Consider these ideas: Is there any doubt God created man with a brain? If so, then isn't the expectation that man would use that gift?

    God created the Universe and all the natural laws that govern it. Isn't studying God's creation divine work?

    If God is all powerful, all knowing and all merciful, then God could have imprinted any special knowledge such as the Bible onto our brains or written it in the stars. This didn't happen. Two reasons why could be 1) God doesn't exist or 2), as I believe, part of the puzzle is to figure out on our own.

    The purpose of school is to teach children. What can they learn if they are given all the answers or some kids are treated more special than other kids? I doubt God would be that unmerciful.
    The purpose of schools is *education* but that’s another can of worms.

    We are created in the image of God with brains that far surpass anything else found in nature. Even dolphins don’t almost nearly discover Algebra or any of the other things that are *uniquely* human.

    There’s not a gap between man and his nearest competitor in brain power—it’s more of a gaping chasm. Evolution isn’t supposed to work that way, right? What do you deduce from that?

    And absolutely, our brains were given to us to use.

    But none of this proves man had a less evolved ancestor or gives the slightest clue about how life arose from lifeless chemistry. *Assuming* it can or ever did. It only demonstrates that the ‘God theory’ is very much alive and well even in the 21st century.

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