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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    abiogenesis is not a hypothesis, that is why it is not falsifiable.

    Abiogenesis is a fact, by the standards of science.

    Self-replicating cells really did emerge from a pre-biotic soup in the remote past, and this can be demostrated by fossil evidence and isotopic data.

    Abiogenesis actually happened, so no one is wasting their time trying to falsify it.

    Scientists should ultimately be able to devise experiments to corroborate or refute the proposed hypothetical mechanisms for abiogenesis, aka the RNA hypothesis, the metabolism-first hypothesis, etc.
    Hmmm...not a bioscientist, but that's deductive reasoning to answer the question "How did life begin on Earth?" It's possible aliens from the dying inner core of our galaxy's stars once visited the sterile Earth 3.5B years ago, looked around a bit, dumped their bacteria-laden waste and left never to return.

    Obviously that begs the question similar to atheists asking "who made God?" since the question of the origin of life in our galaxy still remains an unanswered question even if it was space alien shit that began life on Earth itself.

    https://www.lpi.usra.edu/science/kri...ife/index.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    I wiah I had not mentioned Karl Popper several months ago, becasuse now you decided to latch on to his philosophy of science and make it your religion, and Popper your deity.
    Please don't. I never heard of Popper until you mentioned him in this thread. INT is intelligent, but insane. Just because he latches onto something as mentally ill people often do, shouldn't cause intelligent and sane people from open discussion on anything that interests them.

    If you'd never mentioned Popper, I might have never looked him up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NiftyNiblick View Post
    Even my own personal theory,

    that the universe and all that exists within it are merely the result of the random confluence of sub atomic particles in the vacuum of infinite space,

    cannot explain the source of the sub-atomic particles.

    The big bang's initial super-mass had to itself have a source before exploding into an infinite expansion which is the universe as it exists today.
    And what came before that?

    We as a species haven't the bio/chemical/mechanical computing power to figure that out, obviously.
    We can only think in time -relative terms.

    But we've been all too good, it seems,
    at making shit up.

    The Talmud.
    The Bible.
    The Koran.
    The Internet.
    I wonder if asking what came before the big bang is even the right question to ask.

    Time did not exist before the big bang. Time requires matter, motion, energy, entropy. None of which existed prior to the expansion of spacetime.

    It is plausible there was no "before" time prior to the inflationary period, therefore it seems like it does not make sense to ask what came before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    Hmmm...not a bioscientist, but that's deductive reasoning to answer the question "How did life begin on Earth?" It's possible aliens from the dying inner core of our galaxy's stars once visited the sterile Earth 3.5B years ago, looked around a bit, dumped their bacteria-laden waste and left never to return.

    Obviously that begs the question similar to atheists asking "who made God?" since the question of the origin of life in our galaxy still remains an unanswered question even if it was space alien shit that began life on Earth itself.

    https://www.lpi.usra.edu/science/kri...ife/index.html
    Good point. At this point, there is no way to rule out life was seeded here.

    There is some speculation life on earth came from Mars via meteorites, as Mars was probably hospitable to life 3.5 billion years ago.

    I am open to the possibility we may never know

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    I wonder if asking what came before the big bang is even the right question to ask.

    Time did not exist before the big bang. Time requires matter, motion, energy, entropy. None of which existed prior to the expansion of spacetime.

    It is plausible there was no "before" time prior to the inflationary period, therefore it seems like it does not make sense to ask what came before.
    Common English lacks words to describe "before time began" resulting in the descriptive problems you mention.

    Related to that is the concept of "Eternal" as opposed to "forever". The latter term is time-related, but eternal is extratemporal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    Good point. At this point, there is no way to rule out life was seeded here.

    There is some speculation life on earth came from Mars via meteorites, as Mars was probably hospitable to life 3.5 billion years ago.

    I am open to the possibility we may never know
    Agreed. It's possible life began on Mars and was transported here naturally or unnaturally by unknown forces. Again, despite the complaints of some members, it all goes under the file heading of "UNKNOWN".
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    Who here believes there's 23 genders lol?
    I do, man woman and 21 types of queers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    Common English lacks words to describe "before time began" resulting in the descriptive problems you mention.

    Related to that is the concept of "Eternal" as opposed to "forever". The latter term is time-related, but eternal is extratemporal.
    I agree. The limitations of language place us at a disadvantage to even cogently discuss some of the deeper mysteries of physics and cosmology.

    It really all has to be communicated in the language of higher mathematics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    I agree. The limitations of language place us at a disadvantage to even cogently discuss some of the deeper mysteries of physics and cosmology.

    It really all has to be communicated in the language of higher mathematics.
    Agreed....and if that math goes higher than algebra and a little Trig, I'm out.

    Most of my math is formulas such as F = MA, about as high as I go but mostly Time Distance equations and fuel burn per hour or mile.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jakemax View Post
    I do, man woman and 21 types of queers.
    How many did your mommy serve?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    How many did your mommy serve?
    Beats me, faggot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    I wonder if asking what came before the big bang is even the right question to ask.

    Time did not exist before the big bang. Time requires matter, motion, energy, entropy. None of which existed prior to the expansion of spacetime.

    It is plausible there was no "before" time prior to the inflationary period, therefore it seems like it does not make sense to ask what came before.
    I see time merely as a reference for what occurs before and after.
    If there indeed was a big bang, there was a time before the big bang, even if it had no reference with anything we can imagine.
    Was there a great void? Then what came before that?
    These are things that we can't seem to mentally visualize.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    science has concluded it had a beginning........
    No. But for once in your life on this forum--cite something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    abiogenesis is not a hypothesis, that is why it is not falsifiable.

    Abiogenesis is a fact, by the standards of science.

    Self-replicating cells really did emerge from a pre-biotic soup in the remote past, and this can be demostrated by fossil evidence and isotopic data.

    Abiogenesis actually happened, so no one is wasting their time trying to falsify it.

    Scientists should ultimately be able to devise experiments to corroborate or refute the proposed hypothetical mechanisms for abiogenesis, aka the RNA hypothesis, the metabolism-first hypothesis, etc.
    You have fossilized cells?

    Can we see them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    The word abiogenesis denotes life arising out of lifeless matter—somehow or other.

    You have faith that it really happened that way, right?
    How can I have a faith in it? That doesn't even make any sense. I don't know how it happened. But I DO know it had origin(s) on Earth. An origin could be from aliens seeding Earth. That as a valid theory as others.
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    so the vaccines job was to let those who were vaccinated become more easily infected, allow them to easily infect others, and may or may not hide the symptoms? why do we have that vaccine, then?



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