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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    Years and years of yuge houses with yuge backyards for kids.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    LOL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    Denial of logic. Inversion fallacy. No argument presented.
    Your choice. You keep writing your made up fallacies and I won't bother with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    Irrelevant. Age does not affect a philosophical argument.
    No, criticism does. A concept that evades you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GazzaQueen View Post
    For all of our brilliant evolutionists, please explain to the class where original matter came from.

    You know, the matter from which all things are made. Where did it come from.
    Why do you believe it came from somewhere?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    How is it a religious doctrine?

    Life has an origin, correct?
    The word abiogenesis denotes life arising out of lifeless matter—somehow or other.

    You have faith that it really happened that way, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    The word abiogenesis denotes life arising out of lifeless matter—somehow or other.

    You have faith that it really happened that way, right?
    Correct. If you have evidence on how the happened, please contact the nearest University. They have a Nobel Prize they'd like to win.

    As for faith, you're the one pushing Creationism. Everyone else seems to file it under "UNKNOWN".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    Correct. If you have evidence on how the happened, please contact the nearest University. They have a Nobel Prize they'd like to win.

    As for faith, you're the one pushing Creationism. Everyone else seems to file it under "UNKNOWN".
    I’m open to the possibility it *didn’t* happen and that it’s *scientifically* impossible for lifeless matter to self-arrange into living things.

    If that makes me a ‘creationist’ so be it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    Your choice. You keep writing your made up fallacies and I won't bother with you.
    did you point that out to the fellow who posted the fallacy in the OP?......
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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    Why do you believe it came from somewhere?
    science has concluded it had a beginning........
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    I’m open to the possibility it *didn’t* happen and that it’s *scientifically* impossible for lifeless matter to self-arrange into living things.

    If that makes me a ‘creationist’ so be it.
    I'm open to the possibility that the only people claiming they know how life began are fucking morons.

    If that makes me an arrogant asshole, so be it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    I’m open to the possibility it *didn’t* happen and that it’s *scientifically* impossible for lifeless matter to self-arrange into living things.

    If that makes me a ‘creationist’ so be it.
    No.

    Believing that inert chemicals organized themselves into self replicating cells was somehow providential does not make you a creationist.

    In common parlance, a biblical creationist is someone who believes all life was created as it exists today by divine intervention, and literally consistent with the mythology written in the Jewish scripture of Genesis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    Believe what you want. I knew about Popper's philosophies for many years.

    Nope. Falsifiability has a meaning. I've already described what it is and why. Argument of the stone fallacy.

    At this point it is the only one that makes any kind of sense. You are free to present your own philosophy and define science. Go ahead.

    None needed.

    Never did.

    None.

    Science has no cost.

    Particle accelerators and radio telescopes are not required for science.

    Yes it is. The theory is falsified. It is destroyed.

    It progresses just fine.

    Religion is not science. Only religion uses supporting evidence.

    Yes. I have already explained why.

    Argument of the stone fallacy. Feel free to define science using your philosophy. It must separate it from religion. It must support all the current theories of science that exist.

    All theories are explanatory arguments, whether scientific or otherwise.

    Science isn't a practice. Science does not use supporting evidence. Only religions do that.

    Never said he was. Fixation.

    Argument of the stone fallacy.
    I wiah I had not mentioned Karl Popper several months ago, becasuse now you decided to latch on to his philosophy of science and make it your religion, and Popper your deity.

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    Even my own personal theory,

    that the universe and all that exists within it are merely the result of the random confluence of sub atomic particles in the vacuum of infinite space,

    cannot explain the source of the sub-atomic particles.

    The big bang's initial super-mass had to itself have a source before exploding into an infinite expansion which is the universe as it exists today.
    And what came before that?

    We as a species haven't the bio/chemical/mechanical computing power to figure that out, obviously.
    We can only think in time -relative terms.

    But we've been all too good, it seems,
    at making shit up.

    The Talmud.
    The Bible.
    The Koran.
    The Internet.
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    Religion....is the opiate of the people. Karl Marx, 1848
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    Because it’s impossible to falsify abiogenesis for all practical purposes. Into is right that it’s like a religious doctrine in that sense.
    abiogenesis is not a hypothesis, that is why it is not falsifiable.

    Abiogenesis is a fact, by the standards of science.

    Self-replicating cells really did emerge from a pre-biotic soup in the remote past, and this can be demostrated by fossil evidence and isotopic data.

    Abiogenesis actually happened, so no one is wasting their time trying to falsify it.

    Scientists should ultimately be able to devise experiments to corroborate or refute the proposed hypothetical mechanisms for abiogenesis, aka the RNA hypothesis, the metabolism-first hypothesis, etc.

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