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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    ????....did I say somewhere that it was a picture of CO2?.......I just thought it was a picture of an ugly power plant......compared to the wind farm........
    It could easily be implied given this is a CO2 thread. I've seen the State Media show those types of pics when trying to sell global warming to the stupid uninformed liberal voters.

    Liberal Al Gorian, Ted Splash Kennedy, refused to have wind turbines built near his properties because they are so fucking huge and ugly, and can be seen for miles and miles away. A typical, wealthy, two faced leftwing hero
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    Quote Originally Posted by Milagro View Post
    Yet Texas has cut back the huge subsidies on wind power, didn't anybody tell you?

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    So what?

    Didn't anybody tell Y-O-U??


    First quarter highlights: We’re about to build a Texas-sized amount of wind power

    American wind power is in the midst of a Texas-sized boom to start 2017. The industry just posted its best first quarter in eight years, and put up a new turbine every two hours and 24 minutes over the year’s first three months.

    http://www.aweablog.org/first-quarte...nt-wind-power/[/QUOTE]
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    and that grand jury can “vote to indict” a former president for 91 alleged “crimes”?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckly J. Ewer View Post
    So is methane, CockSucker.
    What's your point, dickless? That you hate homosexuals? We already know that!
    "I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man."
    — Joe Biden on Obama.

    Socialism is just the modern word for monarchy.

    D.C. has become a Guild System with an hierarchy and line of accession much like the Royal Court or priestly classes.

    Private citizens are perfectly able of doing a better job without "apprenticing".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdog View Post
    It could easily be implied given this is a CO2 thread. I've seen the State Media show those types of pics when trying to sell global warming to the stupid uninformed liberal voters.

    Liberal Al Gorian, Ted Splash Kennedy, refused to have wind turbines built near his properties because they are so fucking huge and ugly, and can be seen for miles and miles away. A typical, wealthy, two faced leftwing hero
    Funny how fast that liberal "lion" got forgotten.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZappasGuitar View Post
    Before wind power can free the world from our dependence on oil, it must start small, with individual cities like Shitsville, Iowa.
    Yet Texas has cut back the huge subsidies on wind power, didn't anybody tell you?
    Quote Originally Posted by ZappasGuitar View Post
    A TWO YEAR OLD ARTICLE!!!

    BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!

    So very desperate to put down renewable energy...too bad you've got NOTHING more current.

    Fortunately, I do!

    First quarter highlights: We’re about to build a Texas-sized amount of wind power

    American wind power is in the midst of a Texas-sized boom to start 2017. The industry just posted its best first quarter in eight years, and put up a new turbine every two hours and 24 minutes over the year’s first three months.

    http://www.aweablog.org/first-quarte...nt-wind-power/
    That is a bullshit website dedicated to wind advocacy. Here is an up to date article, subsidies will be cut back drastically and wind will have to compete on a level playing field.

    Texas has a mixed bag of fuels to generate the state’s electricity. This includes natural gas (55 perent), coal/lignite (24 percent), wind (14 percent), nuclear (6 percent), and solar (1 percent).

    But this mix will keep changing since Houston and some other Texas cities are “nonattainment” areas regarding air quality. So, carbon emissions will still need to be reduced whether you are concerned about “climate change” or not. Not good news for coal, particularly.

    Another key factor: The Trump administration is likely to cut back on taxpayer subsidies for wind and solar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckly J. Ewer View Post
    So is methane, CockSucker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigCockSucker View Post
    What's your point, dickless? That you hate homosexuals? We already know that!
    I hate CockSuckers like you.
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    Poor Tom...
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    he may be getting several boners, they just won't be his.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Milagro View Post
    Yet Texas has cut back the huge subsidies on wind power, didn't anybody tell you?

    That is a bullshit website dedicated to wind advocacy. Here is an up to date article, subsidies will be cut back drastically and wind will have to compete on a level playing field.

    http://fuelfix.com/blog/2017/03/09/c...rce-for-texas/

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    So they're STILL PLANNING to cut those nasty subsidies?

    What happened to the cuts that supposedly occurred in 2015?

    Rofl!!

    You post an article TWO YEARS OLD AND an Op-Ed piece, yet complain about MY source.
    What kind of country have we become?

    One in which federal prosecutors can take “evidence” before a “grand jury,”

    and that grand jury can “vote to indict” a former president for 91 alleged “crimes”?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZappasGuitar View Post
    So they're STILL PLANNING to cut those nasty subsidies?

    What happened to the cuts that supposedly occurred in 2015?

    Rofl!!

    You post an article TWO YEARS OLD AND an Op-Ed piece, yet complain about MY source.
    Oh they will be cut all right, and the hugely expensive transmission lines will not be built.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdog View Post
    It could easily be implied given this is a CO2 thread.
    but its not......its a wind turbine thread....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdog View Post
    LOL ... you do know CO2 is an invisible gas ... right????? That is not a picture of CO2.
    It's mostly steam coming from the condensing towers.
    But water vapor is also a green house gas, fool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Milagro View Post
    Yet Texas has cut back the huge subsidies on wind power, didn't anybody tell you?

    Sent from my iPhone 25 GT Turbo
    They are an oil and gas state run by Republicans. They also have not promoted solar, but the people are changing things, and with oil and gas revenues on the skids, they are looking for new industries. The times are changing in Texas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milagro View Post
    Never a truer word was spoken. I have banned the usual arseholes but left Rune out just for the entertainment value.





    The Global Wind Energy Council recently released its latest report, excitedly boasting that ‘the proliferation of wind energy into the global power market continues at a furious pace, after it was revealed that more than 54 gigawatts of clean renewable wind power was installed across the global market last year’.

    You may have got the impression from announcements like that, and from the obligatory pictures of wind turbines in any BBC story or airport advert about energy, that wind power is making a big contribution to world energy today. You would be wrong. Its contribution is still, after decades — nay centuries — of development, trivial to the point of irrelevance.

    Even put together, wind and photovoltaic solar are supplying less than 1 per cent of global energy demand. From the International Energy Agency’s 2016 Key Renewables Trends, we can see that wind provided 0.46 per cent of global energy consumption in 2014, and solar and tide combined provided 0.35 per cent. Remember this is total energy, not just electricity, which is less than a fifth of all final energy, the rest being the solid, gaseous, and liquid fuels that do the heavy lifting for heat, transport and industry.

    [One critic suggested I should have used the BP numbers instead, which show wind achieving 1.2% in 2014 rather than 0.46%. I chose not to do so mainly because that number is arrived at by falsely exaggerating the actual output of wind farms threefold in order to take into account that wind farms do not waste two-thirds of their energy as heat; also the source is an oil company, which would have given green blobbers a excuse to dismiss it, whereas the IEA is unimpleachable But it’s still a very small number, so it makes little difference.]

    Such numbers are not hard to find, but they don’t figure prominently in reports on energy derived from the unreliables lobby (solar and wind). Their trick is to hide behind the statement that close to 14 per cent of the world’s energy is renewable, with the implication that this is wind and solar. In fact the vast majority — three quarters — is biomass (mainly wood), and a very large part of that is ‘traditional biomass’; sticks and logs and dung burned by the poor in their homes to cook with. Those people need that energy, but they pay a big price in health problems caused by smoke inhalation.

    Even in rich countries playing with subsidised wind and solar, a huge slug of their renewable energy comes from wood and hydro, the reliable renewables. Meanwhile, world energy demand has been growing at about 2 per cent a year for nearly 40 years. Between 2013 and 2014, again using International Energy Agency data, it grew by just under 2,000 terawatt-hours.

    If wind turbines were to supply all of that growth but no more, how many would need to be built each year? The answer is nearly 350,000, since a two-megawatt turbine can produce about 0.005 terawatt-hours per annum. That’s one-and-a-half times as many as have been built in the world since governments started pouring consumer funds into this so-called industry in the early 2000s.

    At a density of, very roughly, 50 acres per megawatt, typical for wind farms, that many turbines would require a land area [half the size of] the British Isles, including Ireland. Every year. If we kept this up for 50 years, we would have covered every square mile of a land area [half] the size of Russia with wind farms. Remember, this would be just to fulfil the new demand for energy, not to displace the vast existing supply of energy from fossil fuels, which currently supply 80 per cent of global energy needs. [para corrected from original.]

    Do not take refuge in the idea that wind turbines could become more efficient. There is a limit to how much energy you can extract from a moving fluid, the Betz limit, and wind turbines are already close to it. Their effectiveness (the load factor, to use the engineering term) is determined by the wind that is available, and that varies at its own sweet will from second to second, day to day, year to year.

    As machines, wind turbines are pretty good already; the problem is the wind resource itself, and we cannot change that. It’s a fluctuating stream of low–density energy. Mankind stopped using it for mission-critical transport and mechanical power long ago, for sound reasons. It’s just not very good.
    As for resource consumption and environmental impacts, the direct effects of wind turbines — killing birds and bats, sinking concrete foundations deep into wild lands — is bad enough. But out of sight and out of mind is the dirty pollution generated in Inner Mongolia by the mining of rare-earth metals for the magnets in the turbines. This generates toxic and radioactive waste on an epic scale, which is why the phrase ‘clean energy’ is such a sick joke and ministers should be ashamed every time it passes their lips.

    It gets worse. Wind turbines, apart from the fibreglass blades, are made mostly of steel, with concrete bases. They need about 200 times as much material per unit of capacity as a modern combined cycle gas turbine. Steel is made with coal, not just to provide the heat for smelting ore, but to supply the carbon in the alloy. Cement is also often made using coal. The machinery of ‘clean’ renewables is the output of the fossil fuel economy, and largely the coal economy. A two-megawatt wind turbine weighs about 250 tonnes, including the tower, nacelle, rotor and blades. Globally, it takes about half a tonne of coal to make a tonne of steel. Add another 25 tonnes of coal for making the cement and you’re talking 150 tonnes of coal per turbine. Now if we are to build 350,000 wind turbines a year (or a smaller number of bigger ones), just to keep up with increasing energy demand, that will require 50 million tonnes of coal a year. That’s about half the EU’s hard coal–mining output.

    The point of running through these numbers is to demonstrate that it is utterly futile, on a priori grounds, even to think that wind power can make any significant contribution to world energy supply, let alone to emissions reductions, without ruining the planet. As the late David MacKay pointed out years back, the arithmetic is against such unreliable renewables.

    MacKay, former chief scientific adviser to the Department of Energy and Climate Change, said in the final interview before his tragic death last year that the idea that renewable energy could power the UK is an “appalling delusion” — for this reason, that there is not enough land. The truth is, if you want to power civilisation with fewer greenhouse gas emissions, then you should focus on shifting power generation, heat and transport to natural gas, the economically recoverable reserves of which — thanks to horizontal drilling and hydraulic fracturing — are much more abundant than we dreamed they ever could be. It is also the lowest-emitting of the fossil fuels, so the emissions intensity of our wealth creation can actually fall while our wealth continues to increase. Good.

    And let’s put some of that burgeoning wealth in nuclear, fission and fusion, so that it can take over from gas in the second half of this century. That is an engineerable, clean future. Everything else is a political displacement activity, one that is actually counterproductive as a climate policy and, worst of all, shamefully robs the poor to make the rich even richer.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Queen Snowflake View Post
    They are an oil and gas state run by Republicans. They also have not promoted solar, but the people are changing things, and with oil and gas revenues on the skids, they are looking for new industries. The times are changing in Texas.
    Again Germany shows the way!!

    http://notrickszone.com/2017/05/21/t....nOQU9PZU.dpbs

    Germany’s rush into green energies is slowly and grudgingly being acknowledged by once steadfast proponents as a failure. Over time, even the most bitter of realities have to be accepted.
    Germany’s online Tagesspiegel here recently presented a commentary on the collapse of the country’s largest solar components manufacturer, Solarworld, and what it really means.
    First let’s note that the Tagesspiegel is based in Berlin, and is a center-left publication, and so what we have here is a grudging admission from a proponent that the pet green energy project is not what many would like us to believe it is.
    Recently the top brass of Solarworld announced it would declare insolvency, and has since become “a case where we can learn a lot,” so says Tagesspiegel’s Ursula Weidenfeld.
    She writes: “It tells us the story of megalomania, ignorance, cockiness and blindness of the future” and that it is an example of “the state interfering with competition – and distorting it” to the point where “companies are hampered and the power of innovation is weakened

    Weidenfeld compares the German government’s forays into green energy to the refugee crisis, where good intentions ended up with disastrous results. On companies feeding at the subsidy trough, she writes:
    Ultimately, they wind up resorting to tricks, then they disappear.”
    Weidenfeld describes a Germany that was hell-bent on showing the world how things are supposed to get done, but in the end wound up as an embarrassing failure. Weidenfeld concludes on the massive solar subsidies:
    - See more at: http://notrickszone.com/2017/05/21/t....nOQU9PZU.dpuf



    http://notrickszone.com/2017/05/21/t....nOQU9PZU.dpbs

    ‘Tagesspiegel’ Calls German Solar Energy Scheme An “Exemplary Initiative” On What “Not To Do”! - See more at: http://notrickszone.com/2017/05/21/t....nOQU9PZU.dpuf

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