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    Hillary could have faced many consequences for negligently mishandling classified material, including the loss of their clearance and probably with it their employment.
    She didn't have to be charged with a criminal offense....Comey used that excuse to let her off the hook for any consequences at all....thats what pisses people off the most.....
    Not being privy to what classified or secret material she exposed to others means I can not say she committed espionage and don't recommend that route...but she was without doubt guilty of mishandling this material and should have be held responsible for it....
    Put blame where it belongs
    ATF decided it could not regulate bump stocks during the Obama administration.
    It that time," the NRA wrote in a statement. "The NRA believes that devices designed to allow semiautomatic rifles to function like fully-automatic rifles should be subject to additional regulations."
    The ATF and Obama admin. ignored the NRA recommendations.


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    You can argue intent right up until Hillary gets convicted. To quote her at her most prescient, "If that cocksucker wins we'll all hang from nooses."

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    Quote Originally Posted by NOVA View Post
    Hillary could have faced many consequences for negligently mishandling classified material, including the loss of their clearance and probably with it their employment.
    She didn't have to be charged with a criminal offense....Comey used that excuse to let her off the hook for any consequences at all....thats what pisses people off the most.....
    Not being privy to what classified or secret material she exposed to others means I can not say she committed espionage and don't recommend that route...but she was without doubt guilty of mishandling this material and should have be held responsible for it....
    You mean like Ronald Reagan was held responsible for Iran Contra?

    Like W. Bush was held responsible for his gross negligence in prosecuting the Iraq war?

    High level politicians get let off the hook all the time, usually for a helluva lot worse than the way they sent and received emails.
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    The old 'but look at what the other side did 35 years ago' defense and of course no mention of Obama's giving birth to ISIS costing the deaths of thousands and fucking up in Libya or allowing the Mexican invasion of the country or 19 hijackers entering the country under Bill Clinton's nose....

    I expected it a lot sooner....and its all totally irrelevant now.

    I'm not surprised to hear you're ok with "High level politicians get let off the hook all the time"....
    Put blame where it belongs
    ATF decided it could not regulate bump stocks during the Obama administration.
    It that time," the NRA wrote in a statement. "The NRA believes that devices designed to allow semiautomatic rifles to function like fully-automatic rifles should be subject to additional regulations."
    The ATF and Obama admin. ignored the NRA recommendations.


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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    his proof?
    Rewriting the law to insert intent.
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    The USA has lost WWIV to China with no other weapons but China Virus and some cash to buy democrats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    You are a fucking moron.

    The intent to harm national security has to involve purposely mishandling classified information by knowingly stealing it with the intent to turn it over to some unauthorized person or persons who represent a foreign government or foreign interest or domestic person or group who are working gainst US interests or looking to expose top secret inner workings of our government.

    It's not that difficult of a concept to grasp.

    If you're really having that much trouble with it, go find a 5th grader to explain it to you.
    Violating the espionage act requires no intent. The fact is that Clinton put national issues on an open server with NO security where any government could easily have accessed them. This is illegal, and as Hillary said, if Trump gets elected I AM GOING TO HANG UNTIL DEAD BY THE NECK.

    NOT MY WORDS, HILLARY SAID THAT. Why? because she knows exactly how many laws she violated

    18 U.S. Code § 793 - Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information






    Current through Pub. L. 114-38. (See Public Laws for the current Congress.)




    US Code

    (a) Whoever, for the purpose of obtaining information respecting the national defense with intent or reason to believe that the information is to be used to the injury of the United States, or to the advantage of any foreign nation, goes upon, enters, flies over, or otherwise obtains information concerning any vessel, aircraft, work of defense, navy yard, naval station, submarine base, fueling station, fort, battery, torpedo station, dockyard, canal, railroad, arsenal, camp, factory, mine, telegraph, telephone, wireless, or signal station, building, office, research laboratory or station or other place connected with the national defense owned or constructed, or in progress of construction by the United States or under the control of the United States, or of any of its officers, departments, or agencies, or within the exclusive jurisdiction of the United States, or any place in which any vessel, aircraft, arms, munitions, or other materials or instruments for use in time of war are being made, prepared, repaired, stored, or are the subject of research or development, under any contract or agreement with the United States, or any department or agency thereof, or with any person on behalf of the United States, or otherwise on behalf of the United States, or any prohibited place so designated by the President by proclamation in time of war or in case of national emergency in which anything for the use of the Army, Navy, or Air Force is being prepared or constructed or stored, information as to which prohibited place the President has determined would be prejudicial to the national defense; or

    (b) Whoever, for the purpose aforesaid, and with like intent or reason to believe, copies, takes, makes, or obtains, or attempts to copy, take, make, or obtain, any sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, document, writing, or note of anything connected with the national defense; or

    (c) Whoever, for the purpose aforesaid, receives or obtains or agrees or attempts to receive or obtain from any person, or from any source whatever, any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note, of anything connected with the national defense, knowing or having reason to believe, at the time he receives or obtains, or agrees or attempts to receive or obtain it, that it has been or will be obtained, taken, made, or disposed of by any person contrary to the provisions of this chapter; or

    (d) Whoever, lawfully having possession of, access to, control over, or being entrusted with any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note relating to the national defense, or information relating to the national defense which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it on demand to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it; or

    (e) Whoever having unauthorized possession of, access to, or control over any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note relating to the national defense, or information relating to the national defense which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted, or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it; or

    (f) Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer—
    Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.

    (g) If two or more persons conspire to violate any of the foregoing provisions of this section, and one or more of such persons do any act to effect the object of the conspiracy, each of the parties to such conspiracy shall be subject to the punishment provided for the offense which is the object of such conspiracy.

    (h)
    (1) Any person convicted of a violation of this section shall forfeit to the United States, irrespective of any provision of State law, any property constituting, or derived from, any proceeds the person obtained, directly or indirectly, from any foreign government, or any faction or party or military or naval force within a foreign country, whether recognized or unrecognized by the United States, as the result of such violation. For the purposes of this subsection, the term “State” includes a State of the United States, the District of Columbia, and any commonwealth, territory, or possession of the United States.

    (2) The court, in imposing sentence on a defendant for a conviction of a violation of this section, shall order that the defendant forfeit to the United States all property described in paragraph (1) of this subsection.

    (3) The provisions of subsections (b), (c), and (e) through (p) of section 413 of the Comprehensive Drug Abuse Prevention and Control Act of 1970 (21 U.S.C. 853(b), (c), and (e)–(p)) shall apply to—
    (A) property subject to forfeiture under this subsection;

    (B) any seizure or disposition of such property; and

    (C) any administrative or judicial proceeding in relation to such property,

    if not inconsistent with this subsection.

    (4) Notwithstanding section 524(c) of title 28, there shall be deposited in the Crime Victims Fund in the Treasury all amounts from the forfeiture of property under this subsection remaining after the payment of expenses for forfeiture and sale authorized by law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thing1 View Post
    It was a case related to the Espionage Act, and SCOTUS talked about (wait for it):

    INTENT

    You know, that thing that you thought was for "idiots"? Because you compared espionage to speeding?

    It's clear you have no clue whatsoever about the law, outside of what you hear on talk radio. You have been thoroughly schooled here, and this debate is now over.
    So you are saying Hillary didn't intend to be careless?

    What was her intent by directing staff to Bleachbit her yoga emails? Do you do that with old hard drives when you get a new computer? I don't.

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    Since Thingy believes that Hillary didn't intend to mishandle classified information even though she signed an NDA stating she understood how, we can only deduce that Thingy thinks Hillary is dumber than a box of rocks

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDonald View Post
    Violating the espionage act requires no intent. The fact is that Clinton put national issues on an open server with NO security where any government could easily have accessed them. This is illegal, and as Hillary said, if Trump gets elected I AM GOING TO HANG UNTIL DEAD BY THE NECK.

    NOT MY WORDS, HILLARY SAID THAT. Why? because she knows exactly how many laws she violated

    18 U.S. Code § 793 - Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information


    Current through Pub. L. 114-38. (See Public Laws for the current Congress.)


    US Code

    (a) Whoever, for the purpose of obtaining information respecting the national defense with intent or reason to believe that the information is to be used to the injury of the United States, or to the advantage of any foreign nation, goes upon, enters, flies over, or otherwise obtains information concerning any vessel, aircraft, work of defense, navy yard, naval station, submarine base, fueling station, fort, battery, torpedo station, dockyard, canal, railroad, arsenal, camp, factory, mine, telegraph, telephone, wireless, or signal station, building, office, research laboratory or station or other place connected with the national defense owned or constructed, or in progress of construction by the United States or under the control of the United States, or of any of its officers, departments, or agencies, or within the exclusive jurisdiction of the United States, or any place in which any vessel, aircraft, arms, munitions, or other materials or instruments for use in time of war are being made, prepared, repaired, stored, or are the subject of research or development, under any contract or agreement with the United States, or any department or agency thereof, or with any person on behalf of the United States, or otherwise on behalf of the United States, or any prohibited place so designated by the President by proclamation in time of war or in case of national emergency in which anything for the use of the Army, Navy, or Air Force is being prepared or constructed or stored, information as to which prohibited place the President has determined would be prejudicial to the national defense; or

    (b) Whoever, for the purpose aforesaid, and with like intent or reason to believe, copies, takes, makes, or obtains, or attempts to copy, take, make, or obtain, any sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, document, writing, or note of anything connected with the national defense; or

    (c) Whoever, for the purpose aforesaid, receives or obtains or agrees or attempts to receive or obtain from any person, or from any source whatever, any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note, of anything connected with the national defense, knowing or having reason to believe, at the time he receives or obtains, or agrees or attempts to receive or obtain it, that it has been or will be obtained, taken, made, or disposed of by any person contrary to the provisions of this chapter; or

    (d) Whoever, lawfully having possession of, access to, control over, or being entrusted with any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note relating to the national defense, or information relating to the national defense which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it on demand to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it; or

    (e) Whoever having unauthorized possession of, access to, or control over any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note relating to the national defense, or information relating to the national defense which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted, or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it; or

    (f) Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer—
    Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.

    (g) If two or more persons conspire to violate any of the foregoing provisions of this section, and one or more of such persons do any act to effect the object of the conspiracy, each of the parties to such conspiracy shall be subject to the punishment provided for the offense which is the object of such conspiracy.

    (h)
    (1) Any person convicted of a violation of this section shall forfeit to the United States, irrespective of any provision of State law, any property constituting, or derived from, any proceeds the person obtained, directly or indirectly, from any foreign government, or any faction or party or military or naval force within a foreign country, whether recognized or unrecognized by the United States, as the result of such violation. For the purposes of this subsection, the term “State” includes a State of the United States, the District of Columbia, and any commonwealth, territory, or possession of the United States.

    (2) The court, in imposing sentence on a defendant for a conviction of a violation of this section, shall order that the defendant forfeit to the United States all property described in paragraph (1) of this subsection.

    (3) The provisions of subsections (b), (c), and (e) through (p) of section 413 of the Comprehensive Drug Abuse Prevention and Control Act of 1970 (21 U.S.C. 853(b), (c), and (e)–(p)) shall apply to—
    (A) property subject to forfeiture under this subsection;

    (B) any seizure or disposition of such property; and

    (C) any administrative or judicial proceeding in relation to such property,

    if not inconsistent with this subsection.

    (4) Notwithstanding section 524(c) of title 28, there shall be deposited in the Crime Victims Fund in the Treasury all amounts from the forfeiture of property under this subsection remaining after the payment of expenses for forfeiture and sale authorized by law.
    All that copy/pasting was for nothing.

    Moron.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    All that copy/pasting was for nothing.

    Moron.
    Because you wouldn't read it? Or because you wouldn't understand it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by I Love America View Post
    Because you wouldn't read it? Or because you wouldn't understand it?
    Because the poster of it, like his namesake, is a clueless idiot with a low comprehension level, as apoarently, are you.

    If I didn't read it (which I have several times over the past couple of years) then how would I have been able to enlarge and bold text the portions that specifically refer to the requirement for INTENT to harm US national security?

    My GAWD you people are thick headed!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by I Love America View Post
    Since The Federal Bureau of Investigation believes that Hillary didn't intend to mishandle classified information even though she signed an NDA stating she understood how, we can only deduce that The Federal Bureau of Investigation thinks Hillary is dumber than a box of rocks
    FTFY

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    Quote Originally Posted by NOVA View Post
    The old 'but look at what the other side did 35 years ago' defense and of course no mention of Obama's giving birth to ISIS costing the deaths of thousands and fucking up in Libya or allowing the Mexican invasion of the country or 19 hijackers entering the country under Bill Clinton's nose....

    I expected it a lot sooner....and its all totally irrelevant now.

    I'm not surprised to hear you're ok with "High level politicians get let off the hook all the time"....
    Re: the bolded. You have - at least a few dozen times - brought up Lyndon Johnson & the Vietnam War.

    There really isn't a poster w/ less self-awareness.

    And the Iraq War - which gave way to ISIS - wasn't 35 years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    All that copy/pasting was for nothing.

    Moron.
    1.3 seconds of copy and pasting wasted then..............................


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    Because the poster of it, like his namesake, is a clueless idiot with a low comprehension level, as apoarently, are you.

    If I didn't read it (which I have several times over the past couple of years) then how would I have been able to enlarge and bold text the portions that specifically refer to the requirement for INTENT to harm US national security?

    My GAWD you people are thick headed!!!!
    Don't worry, Trump has a reasonable prosecutor who understands it, and is ready to prosecute


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