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    Default Russiaism is the new Birtherism

    While the FBI was investigating Bill Clinton for the White Water corruption situation, President Clinton fired the FBI Director. The media took President Clinton’s actions at face value. They did not question him. In fact, conservatives who raised red flags were dismissed. Today, we get to see what happens when a Republican does what Bill Clinton did.

    The hysterics from the left over Donald Trump firing James Comey would be silly, except that many reporters who shape the news are part of that contingent. Witness Jeffrey Toobin,
    a leftist who CNN gives the veneer of objectivity to, railing about the President of the United States exercising lawful constitutional duty to fire a man many on the left wanted fired. Who is now in charge of the FBI after this? A Democrat whose wife’s run for the Virginia Senate was supported by Clintonites. Yes friends, in the hysteria of claims about Russia, everyone ignored who now runs the FBI. The man is not exactly Trump friendly.

    But even the defense does ignore some reasonable nuance. Yes, I think the timing was designed to distract from Sally Yates’ Senate testimony. Yes, it does look bad given the FBI’s ongoing investigation into Russia’s election interference. It comes as a grand jury is issuing subpoenas related to Mike Flynn.

    The preponderance of the evidence, however, suggests the President did fire Comey based on the advice of senior Department of Justice officials and not on his own. The preponderance of evidence does suggest that Trump fired Comey because of his botched testimony before congress about Huma Abedin and his handling, in general, of the Clinton email situation. And yes, the preponderance of evidence suggests it was not a coverup considering Andrew McCabe is now in charge of the FBI.

    Still, this is another reason why I do think the Russian situation is so serious that it deserves an outside investigation. It deserves resources Republicans demanded of the Whitewater investigation, which only involved a President’s potentially corrupt dealings with a land deal and a law firm. This involves a foreign power attempting to subvert the American democratic process. There is no allegation that President Trump did anything wrong. But there are serious allegations about Russia that deserve a thorough, independent review.

    The reality, however, is that many of those most critical of the President firing Comey were the same people demanding Comey be fired for his handling of Hillary Clinton’s emails. We have a hyper-partisan environment in which all sides too easily and too quickly abandon intellectual honesty. It is notable that Lindsey Graham and Susan Collins, two of the GOP’s most strident critics of Donald Trump, are okay with this firing.

    It is not a constitutional crisis, nor is it a dark day for democracy. It is a President exercising his constitutional duties on the advice of his cabinet ministers. The timing is bothersome and looks bad, but the underlying rationale suggests the decision was made thoughtfully. However, the left will never believe President Trump nor believe anything other than the worst possible conspiracies about him.
    Russiaism is the new Birtherism.

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    decent article. I don't agree with it all, but i thought the parts about "CNN veneer of objectivity" was spot on
    ( just enough so you can tell yourself this isn't fake news)..

    and of course everything Russia is now the Democratic birtherism -
    the difference there is that it infects the entire body-unlike birtherism by the Republicans
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    There were a couple of notable exceptions, but most Democrats did NOT call for Comey's firing despite his election intrusion.

    This article is very partisan. How are we supposed to know or trust Trump's motivations for firing Comey when he had his staff give 3 different reasons for the firing, and then threw them all under the bus yesterday by giving a 4th reason?

    Another apologist, one-sided thread from anatta.

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    The birtherism parallel is also bull. Sorry, anatta - this is an actual investigation that started w/ the FBI and our intel community. It's not a bunch of conspiracy hearsay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thing1 View Post
    There were a couple of notable exceptions, but most Democrats did NOT call for Comey's firing despite his election intrusion.

    This article is very partisan. How are we supposed to know or trust Trump's motivations for firing Comey when he had his staff give 3 different reasons for the firing, and then threw them all under the bus yesterday by giving a 4th reason?

    Another apologist, one-sided thread from anatta.
    read the article thing -not what it says
    The reality, however, is that many of those most critical of the President firing Comey were the same people demanding Comey be fired for his handling of Hillary Clinton’s emails.
    the article is far from 1 sided..are you that far gone you're reduced to just using the same meme about anyhting I post?
    apparently so. I even mentioned I don't agree with it all, and the article is balanced. Unlike Democrats/yourself.
    Kissinger: “demonization of Vladimir Putin is not a policy; it is an alibi for the absence of one.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thing1 View Post
    The birtherism parallel is also bull. Sorry, anatta - this is an actual investigation that started w/ the FBI and our intel community. It's not a bunch of conspiracy hearsay.
    However, the left will never believe President Trump nor believe anything other than the worst possible conspiracies about him.
    Russiaism is the new Birtherism.
    they are not one and the same..^ this is the parallel.

    If you don't think the left believes "the worst possible conspiracies" (Russiagate and more) -
    COMPLETELY WITHOUT ANY PROOF ( i.e.birtherism ) you are completely gone
    Kissinger: “demonization of Vladimir Putin is not a policy; it is an alibi for the absence of one.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thing1 View Post
    The article is pure hackery. Again - there is no comparison to birtherism.

    Your opinion is basically meaningless to me. You're a mindless apologist. Zero credibility.
    no worries.
    ...you've devolved into full fledged TDS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    they are not one and the same..^ this is the parallel.

    If you don't think the left believes "the worst possible conspiracies" (Russiagate and more) -
    COMPLETELY WITHOUT ANY PROOF ( i.e.birtherism ) you are completely gone
    What is wrong with you?

    There was never a shred of evidence that Obama was born in the radical muslim madrassas of Kenya. The assertion was not only wholly without merit, it did not even pass the laugh test.

    Investigating member's of Drumpfs campaign for their potential questionable ties to Russia must at a minimum be based on evidence and probable cause, otherwise America's top law enforcement agency would not be investigating it.

    Remind me, what American law enforcement agency was investigating Obama's supposed birth in Kenya?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    What is wrong with you?

    There was never a shred of evidence that Obama was born in the radical muslim madrassas of Kenya. The assertion was not only wholly without merit, it did not even pass the laugh test.

    Investigating member's of Drumpfs campaign for their potential questionable ties to Russia must at a minimum be based on evidence and probable cause, otherwise America's top law enforcement agency would not be investigating it.

    Remind me, what American law enforcement agency was investigating Obama's supposed birth in Kenya?
    The "Russiagate" has become a new bitherism - hang "Russia on or near it- no matter how badly conflated
    and you get to deligitimize an entire presidency- just like the Repubs tried to do.
    That's the point of the OP..

    It is using the Russiagate to deligitimize is the parallel - and the Dems trot it out without regard for the fact there
    is no evidence of Russian collusion -which is where it matters or not.
    we already know Flynn/Manafort had "Russian ties -maybe "questionable Russian tie"as you say.

    But that doesn't de-legitimize Trump's presidency -which birtherism,and the Democratic resistance conflate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thing1 View Post
    There were a couple of notable exceptions, but most Democrats did NOT call for Comey's firing despite his election intrusion.

    This article is very partisan. How are we supposed to know or trust Trump's motivations for firing Comey when he had his staff give 3 different reasons for the firing, and then threw them all under the bus yesterday by giving a 4th reason?

    Another apologist, one-sided thread from anatta.
    Many did. Sorry that conflicts with your narrative, but it is true.

    Your side spent months accusing Comey of interfering with the election which is what you also think Russia did.

    Why isn't interfering with an election a fireable offense to you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    The "Russiagate" has become a new bitherism - hang "Russia on or near it- no matter how badly conflated
    and you get to deligitimize an entire presidency- just like the Repubs tried to do.
    That's the point of the OP..

    It is using the Russiagate to deligitimize is the parallel - and the Dems trot it out without regard for the fact there
    is no evidence of Russian collusion -which is where it matters or not.
    we already know Flynn/Manafort had "Russian ties -maybe "questionable Russian tie"as you say.

    But that doesn't de-legitimize Trump's presidency -which birtherism,and the Democratic resistance conflate.
    Wow.

    I guess you do not place any value on your credibility. Are you emotionally invested in Drumpf? To the point that you spend endless hours on an obscure message board, even at the expense of your personal life, defending him and providing cover for him?

    The premise of your thread is laughable. There is no analogy.

    There is a real investigation into members of Drumpfs campaign by a real American law enforcement agency.

    Even righwingers - the smart ones - new the birth certificate-Kenya thing was a lie from the get go. Only poorly edumacated knuckledraggers were duped into buying it. Everyone with an IQ over 80 knew what the real objective of the birther nonsense was: to attempt to make American's first black president look vaguely un-American, foreign, something not palatable to middle America. Anything to detract from the facts of who he really was, a mainstream, left of center American politician with a fairly typical and generally recognizable American family story and history.

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    From the article: "While the FBI was investigating Bill Clinton for the White Water corruption situation, President Clinton fired the FBI Director. The media took President Clinton’s actions at face value. They did not question him. In fact, conservatives who raised red flags were dismissed. Today, we get to see what happens when a Republican does what Bill Clinton did."

    "Administration officials said Mr. Barr's memorandum adopted the report's findings, concluding that Mr. Sessions falsely claimed a tax exemption on the home-to-work use of his official limousine, billed the Government for personal trips on Federal Bureau of Investigation aircraft, built a security fence for his home at Government expense and did not cooperate with investigators looking into accusations that he received special treatment from a bank on his mortgage loan for his house in Washington."

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    Quote Originally Posted by christiefan915 View Post
    From the article: "While the FBI was investigating Bill Clinton for the White Water corruption situation, President Clinton fired the FBI Director. The media took President Clinton’s actions at face value. They did not question him. In fact, conservatives who raised red flags were dismissed. Today, we get to see what happens when a Republican does what Bill Clinton did."

    "Administration officials said Mr. Barr's memorandum adopted the report's findings, concluding that Mr. Sessions falsely claimed a tax exemption on the home-to-work use of his official limousine, billed the Government for personal trips on Federal Bureau of Investigation aircraft, built a security fence for his home at Government expense and did not cooperate with investigators looking into accusations that he received special treatment from a bank on his mortgage loan for his house in Washington."

    http://www.nytimes.com/1993/01/19/us...t-for-job.html
    Your point ?

    Is it that Comey did not deserve to be fired after publically interfering with the election, but Sessions did over tax exemptions ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    Wow.

    I guess you do not place any value on your credibility. Are you emotionally invested in Drumpf? To the point that you spend endless hours on an obscure message board, even at the expense of your personal life, defending him and providing cover for him?
    adhoms are meaningless - just yourself telling yourself you are somehow superior, when you've demonstrated nothing but an ability to boot-lick Hillary.
    I work online. it's easy to drop by. Now are you happy I've explained this to you?

    The premise of your thread is laughable. There is no analogy.
    there is an analogy of purpose - to use rank innuendo
    ( and recall the Democratic resistance has no core operating principle except de-legitimization)
    to de-rail a president. It was disgusting by the Repubs, and it's the same by the Dems

    There is a real investigation into members of Drumpfs campaign by a real American law enforcement agency.
    no shit Sherlock..and the (one) point of the OP is that:
    However, the left will never believe President Trump nor believe anything other than the worst possible conspiracies about him. Russiaism is the new Birtherism.
    i didn't write that. The left/fake news media won't even consider anything but the "worst possible conspiracy"
    To spoon feed that for you; it doesn't mean one dismisses the FBI investigation.
    But conflating everything back to Russiaphobia as a reason ( like Comey's firing here) is the illustration of purpose
    Even righwingers - the smart ones - new the birth certificate-Kenya thing was a lie from the get go. Only poorly edumacated knuckledraggers were duped into buying it. Everyone with an IQ over 80 knew what the real objective of the birther nonsense was: to attempt to make American's first black president look vaguely un-American, foreign, something not palatable to middle America. Anything to detract from the facts of who he really was, a mainstream, left of center American politician with a fairly typical and generally recognizable American family story and history.
    who cares about Obama's background? why add this in there?
    The parallels of birtherism to distract/detract with the Dem's Russiaism hold fast and true.
    The other day it was a "Constitutional Crisis!- Watergate redux..lol
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