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    Quote Originally Posted by Threedee View Post
    Yep. Let's say you have a scenario where USC, Oklahoma, OSU, Alabubba, and Clemson are conference champions. Then, three additional teams are assessed and let in (say, Memphis, Michigan, and Miami). The WC would be the only way in for ND and BYU, if they continue to be independents, but, the committee would still seed the WC teams based upon rankings. The top two seeded teams would get a bye week. It's really quite simple, and obviously too simple and logical for the NCAA to currently grasp, but, it is likely inevitable.
    That’s not the issue. To have an 8 team CFP you would need to give up a regular season game and the power five teams are unwilling to do that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    That’s not the issue. To have an 8 team CFP you would need to give up a regular season game and the power five teams are unwilling to do that.
    The power five teams already give-up three games every season; I'm not sure what they have to complain about. It's the FCS that would be losing-out in this scenario.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    No. I am right. It’s completely objective to use the criteria that to qualify for the CFP you must win your conference. It’s an objective goal that you must accomplish to EARN the opportunity.

    By using objective criteria we don’t get nonsense like the SEC mythology enforced on us.
    There are obvious scenarios that show a conference championship should not be the criteria for the playoffs. As I have said, last year OSU was the best team in the Big10. Another example would be the SEC Championship games of the last few years. Last year, Alabama was undefeated going into the SEC Championship, while Florida was 8-3. As we have seen many, many times, it is possible for any team to lay an egg and have a bad day. Or for an underdog to take huge risks in a game they are expected to lose. If Florida had managed to beat Alabama in the SEC Championship game, would you want a 9-3 team in the playoff instead of a 10-1 team?

    This year Ohio State lost to Iowa. Would you want your entire season to rest on the results of a single game, BEFORE any bowls or playoffs?

    The last several years, the SEC east has sucked. But does winning one game put them in the playoffs?

    No. There must be more to it than winning your conference. Fluke games happen. The entire season should be what gets you there.

    And while I am on the topic of the entire season, why is a loss in September just a minor bump, but a loss in November is a deal-breaker?

    As for the superiority of the SEC being mythology, that is simply inaccurate. In the last few years it has been Alabama and then everyone else. But for a number of years the SEC teams were killing everyone. The BCS was won by SEC teams over and over. And against Big10 Champs, Big12 Champs, ACC Champs and independents. But these things rotate. There have been stretches where the Big10 was on top of things.

    And one last argument. I firmly believe that an 8 team playoff would be better than what we have now. Want that to come to pass? Let one conference put two teams in the playoffs and have the championship game involve only one conference. Change would happen. It worked when the SEC had LSU v. Alabama for the crystal football. Suddenly the holdouts were fine with a playoff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WinterBorn View Post
    There are obvious scenarios that show a conference championship should not be the criteria for the playoffs. As I have said, last year OSU was the best team in the Big10. Another example would be the SEC Championship games of the last few years. Last year, Alabama was undefeated going into the SEC Championship, while Florida was 8-3. As we have seen many, many times, it is possible for any team to lay an egg and have a bad day. Or for an underdog to take huge risks in a game they are expected to lose. If Florida had managed to beat Alabama in the SEC Championship game, would you want a 9-3 team in the playoff instead of a 10-1 team?

    This year Ohio State lost to Iowa. Would you want your entire season to rest on the results of a single game, BEFORE any bowls or playoffs?

    The last several years, the SEC east has sucked. But does winning one game put them in the playoffs?

    No. There must be more to it than winning your conference. Fluke games happen. The entire season should be what gets you there.

    And while I am on the topic of the entire season, why is a loss in September just a minor bump, but a loss in November is a deal-breaker?

    As for the superiority of the SEC being mythology, that is simply inaccurate. In the last few years it has been Alabama and then everyone else. But for a number of years the SEC teams were killing everyone. The BCS was won by SEC teams over and over. And against Big10 Champs, Big12 Champs, ACC Champs and independents. But these things rotate. There have been stretches where the Big10 was on top of things.

    And one last argument. I firmly believe that an 8 team playoff would be better than what we have now. Want that to come to pass? Let one conference put two teams in the playoffs and have the championship game involve only one conference. Change would happen. It worked when the SEC had LSU v. Alabama for the crystal football. Suddenly the holdouts were fine with a playoff.
    Actually that’s why it was called the SEC mythology. The SEC wasn’t dominating in nonconference play. They were batting 0.500.

    With a conference championship being a completely objective requirement that you have to earn. It also creates a true national representation for a national championship and eliminates vested interest from manipulating the process as ESPN did to create the SEC mythology.

    Threedee is right that the best scenario for a national championship is 8 team playoff with five automatic bids and three wildcards. Even better realign Div 1 into 8 conferences with automatic bids and the knowledge you win your conference or go home. That works because you then have a 16 team playoff and every conference gets two teams in the playoff.

    I mean I’m utterly unsympathetic to Alabama’s plight this year and OSU’s last year. Shoot they weren’t even the best teams in their division, let alone their conference.

    Though I’m sure you’ll be pulling for OSU, TCU and Auburn next weekend cause if OK, WI and GA wins then Bama will be stuck in 5th.
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