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    “I cannot fail to speak of the grave risks associated with the invasion of the positions of libertarian individualism at high strata of culture and in school and university education,” the Pope said in an message sent to members of the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences meeting in the Vatican and subsequently shared with Breitbart News.

    “A common characteristic of this fallacious paradigm is that it minimizes the common good, that is the idea of ‘living well’ or the ‘good life’ in the communitarian framework,” Francis said, while at the same time exalting a “selfish ideal.”

    Members of the Pontifical Academy are currently engaged in a workshop bearing the title “Towards a Participatory Society: New Roads to Social and Cultural Integration,” which began Friday and will run through May 2.

    Francis said that libertarianism, “which is so fashionable today,” is a more radical form of the individualism that asserts that “only the individual gives value to things and to interpersonal relations and therefore only the individual decides what is good and what is evil.”

    Libertarianism, he said, preaches that the idea of “self-causation” is necessary to ground freedom and individual responsibility.

    “Thus, the libertarian individual denies the value of the common good,” the pontiff stated, “because on the one hand he supposes that the very idea of ‘common’ means the constriction of at least some individuals, and on the other hand that the notion of ‘good’ deprives freedom of its essence.”

    Libertarianism, he continued, is an “antisocial” radicalization of individualism, which “leads to the conclusion that everyone has the right to extend himself as far as his abilities allow him even at the cost of the exclusion and marginalization of the more vulnerable majority.”

    According to this mentality, all relationships that create ties must be eliminated, the Pope suggested, “since they would limit freedom.” In this way, only by living independently of others, of the common good, and even God himself, can a person be free, he said.

    This isn’t the first time that the Pope has taken issue with popular social and political trends.

    In March, Pope Francis told leaders of the European Union that the populist movements that are sweeping many parts of Europe and other areas are fueled by “egotism.”

    Populism, he said, is “the fruit of an egotism that hems people in and prevents them from overcoming and ‘looking beyond’ their own narrow vision.”
    "There is no question former President Trump bears moral responsibility. His supporters stormed the Capitol because of the unhinged falsehoods he shouted into the world’s largest megaphone," McConnell wrote. "His behavior during and after the chaos was also unconscionable, from attacking Vice President Mike Pence during the riot to praising the criminals after it ended."



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    Franky can suck it.

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    Yes, this pope has socialist tendencies which put him at odds with libertarians. I do think he is painting the most extreme, Grind-like libertarian in his comments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leaningright View Post
    Yes, this pope has socialist tendencies which put him at odds with libertarians. I do think he is painting the most extreme, Grind-like libertarian in his comments.
    I think "socialist tendencies" is putting it lightly.

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    I look around the world at the more socialist nations thinking this is what he wants us to emmulate? His own country should be a red flag for it

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    Best pope in living memory.

    You know- in around 25 years the USA will have a Latino majority. Bad, bad news for white supremacists, neoZionists, Evangelists and all the others who keep America stoopid- but excellent news for progressives. This Francis guy is laying good foundations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moon2012 View Post
    Best pope in living memory.

    You know- in around 25 years the USA will have a Latino majority. Bad, bad news for white supremacists, neoZionists, Evangelists and all the others who keep America stoopid- but excellent news for progressives. This Francis guy is laying good foundations.
    But once the US becomes a socialist Latino majority country will people still try to get here lol?

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    Says the fucking leader of the cult that enables pedophiles and worships an invisible sky god

    Let me LOL, dear Lord

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    “Thus, the libertarian individual denies the value of the common good,” the pontiff stated, “because on the one hand he supposes that the very idea of ‘common’ means the constriction of at least some individuals, and on the other hand that the notion of ‘good’ deprives freedom of its essence.”

    Libertarianism, he continued, is an “antisocial” radicalization of individualism,
    the idea is doing what is best for the individual creates what is best for society in the long run as well

    Members of the Pontifical Academy are currently engaged in a workshop bearing the title “Towards a Participatory Society: New Roads to Social and Cultural Integration,” which began Friday and will run through May 2.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tinfoil View Post
    Says the fucking leader of the cult that enables pedophiles and worships an invisible sky god

    Let me LOL, dear Lord
    Are you referring to the Holy Father ?
    " First they came for the journalists...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guille View Post
    I think "socialist tendencies" is putting it lightly.
    I'm trying to be nice.

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    Does exposing the selfishness of libertarianism = socialism?? wtf??
    "There is no question former President Trump bears moral responsibility. His supporters stormed the Capitol because of the unhinged falsehoods he shouted into the world’s largest megaphone," McConnell wrote. "His behavior during and after the chaos was also unconscionable, from attacking Vice President Mike Pence during the riot to praising the criminals after it ended."



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    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    Does exposing the selfishness of libertarianism = socialism?? wtf??
    The pope supports socialism. So if wants to speak out against libertarianism I see nothing wrong with responding with the failures of what he supports.

    How many times do we hear people in America say "I vote on my best interest" or this group votes against their best interest? All an appeal to selfishness right?

    People call capitalism greedy, selfish, racist etc yet it has led to the highest standard of living this Earth has seen. Socialism, not so much.

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    For those inclined an excellent economic podcast on Pope Francis and his beliefs on capitalism, environment.

    http://www.econtalk.org/archives/201...t_whaples.html

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