Health Care Is Not A Right!

[Buckly J. Ewer]

I'd say that the way insurance works in America today is fascist.

How so?

[Lightbringer]

How so?

If it were socialist the government would have total control over it but that's not what we have. What we have is the classic public/private partnership, the government influencing how privately held capital is used with the blessing of private concerns instead of exercising outright control.

[Buckly J. Ewer]

If it were socialist the government would have total control over it but that's not what we have. What we have is the classic public/private partnership, the government influencing how privately held capital is used with the blessing of private concerns instead of exercising outright control.

You are confused by totalitarian socialism.
Insurance schemes are voluntary socialism/ capitalism regulated by the government to protect the interests of the public participants.
That is not Marxism, but it is socialism.

[Lightbringer]

You are confused by totalitarian socialism.
Insurance schemes are voluntary socialism/ capitalism regulated by the government to protect the interests of the public participants.
That is not Marxism, but it is socialism.

I think you don't understand what socialism is.

[Buckly J. Ewer]

I think you don't understand what socialism is.

You don't believe socialism can be no-totalitarian.
You are caught up in the simplistic negative connotation the concept has.
Your definition is very, very narrow.
Typical of a republican.

[Lightbringer]

You don't believe socialism can be no-totalitarian.
You are caught up in the simplistic negative connotation the concept has.
Your definition is very, very narrow.
Typical of a republican.

It's not my definition. If you want to try to rewrite definitions fine but I'm buying what you're selling.

[Buckly J. Ewer]

It's not my definition. If you want to try to rewrite definitions fine but I'm buying what you're selling.

You are?
That's just grand...
So you do believe now that democratic socialism can exist without a totalitarian state.

[Lightbringer]

You are?
That's just grand...
So you do believe now that democratic socialism can exist without a totalitarian state.

lol. Forgot the not.

[Micawber]

There is no such thing as rights so to argue that anything is or is not a right is an empty argument. All things we consider as rights are social constructs and thus open to discussion within society or whatever you call the place you agree to live. Heathcare is a right in America as hospitals must take care of patients if they obey the law in America. So then healthcare is a right in America. Kinda simple really.

This. ^ In addition to the fact that "rights are what we decide they are," rational arguments can be made regarding what ends and means are more or less worthy than others. Healthcare and education should be near the top of anyone's list, certainly before newer and better bombs or bigger and stronger prisons. Any argument that goes outside of midcan5's construct must seek refuge for support in stone tablets from on high or watery tarts in lakes handing swords to kings.

[Micawber]

no you're not. you're participating in an altered MLM scheme where the other investors of the scam cover the scammers losses. insurance is a ponzi scheme.

As a civil litigation attorney and a property and casualty insurance licensee, I can assure you that you are a moron. You can rest easily now in that knowledge and stop trying to think.

[Micawber]

You are confused by totalitarian socialism.
Insurance schemes are voluntary socialism/ capitalism regulated by the government to protect the interests of the public participants.
That is not Marxism, but it is socialism.

I'll break ranks with you just slightly. It's my understanding that socialism includes some element of government ownership of production means in certain key industries, perhaps those that in economics are considered natural monopolies. This can occur by means of either social contract through free or fair elections or totalitarian force after revolution, whatever the means.

To me, insurance and socialism are analogous. I think of private insurance meaning the pooling of risks to indemnify an insured against perils enumerated in a policy declaration that may occur during the term of the contract between individual insureds and the insurer. It includes the concept of subrogation of the insurer to the rights of the insured against the tortfeasor, or as to the property that may have been only partially destroyed. By no means does this describe a ponzi scheme that smarterthanfew described. Ponzi is based on undercapitalization and a scheme for simple theft. Insurance has reserve requirements and are highly regulated. The payment on a policy does not depend on the ability of an insurer to con new investors.

[Rune]

I'll break ranks with you just slightly. It's my understanding that socialism includes some element of government ownership of production means in certain key industries, perhaps those that in economics are considered natural monopolies. This can occur by means of either social contract through free or fair elections or totalitarian force after revolution, whatever the means.

To me, insurance and socialism are analogous. I think of private insurance meaning the pooling of risks to indemnify an insured against perils enumerated in a policy declaration that may occur during the term of the contract between individual insureds and the insurer. It includes the concept of subrogation of the insurer to the rights of the insured against the tortfeasor, or as to the property that may have been only partially destroyed. By no means does this describe a ponzi scheme that smarterthanfew described. Ponzi is based on undercapitalization and a scheme for simple theft. Insurance has reserve requirements and are highly regulated. The payment on a policy does not depend on the ability of an insurer to con new investors.

Yup.
Can't believe STY can't differentiate.
A ponsi scheme relies on new investment.
An insurance policy relies on continued payments.
The two are not even distantly related.

[canceled.2021.1]

Yup.
Can't believe STY can't differentiate.
A ponsi scheme relies on new investment.
An insurance policy relies on continued payments.
The two are not even distantly related.

Social security is a gobblement sponsored Ponzi scheme. It is one of the reasons global elites want all the low wage spics. So they can bolster the coffers. Almost like slavery when you think about it

Bring all these low wage spics over so they can fund you not working?

[Micawber]

Social security is a gobblement sponsored Ponzi scheme. It is one of the reasons global elites want all the low wage spics. So they can bolster the coffers. Almost like slavery when you think about it

Bring all these low wage spics over so they can fund you not working?

It is highly popular and has functioned transparently for 100 years. It has never defaulted on an obligation. Is there any subject you can't use as a prop for your racism? I will agree that a system that does not consider population fluctuation is ill-conceived. Can you at least admit to its admirable purpose and performance? I'll be pleased to get a check when its my time. If I don't live that long, good for you.

Republican-empathy- zero.

You people are reptilian. Very sad.

[canceled.2021.1]

It is highly popular and has functioned transparently for 100 years. It has never defaulted on an obligation. Is there any subject you can't use as a prop for your racism? I will agree that a system that does not consider population fluctuation is ill-conceived. Can you at least admit to its admirable purpose and performance? I'll be pleased to get a check when its my time. If I don't live that long, good for you.

Republican-empathy- zero.

You people are reptilian. Very sad.

Sorry, but I don't give credit for good intentions and wanting to make a difference. Hitler made a difference.

Socialist insecurity is a Ponzi scheme that is failing