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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    I understand the 9th very well. YOU don't apparently understand the difference between whats right and what IS a right.
    covered that if you read my post. Not sure about your reading comprehension skills at this point.
    It is the responsibility of every American citizen to own a modern military rifle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    so you can go to walmart and demand your right to take a dvd as your right??????


    keep increasing your idiocy. it's amusing, government stooge.
    Things not frivolous: health care, gun ownership, food, housing, education, religious liberty, privacy, property ownership

    Things that are frivolous: dvds, Ferraris, your arguments

    Your passion is real, obviously, but your arguments are close to retarded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by domer76 View Post
    When the Constitution was drafted, small pox, diphtheria and yellow fever were rampant. One treatment for small pox was a concoction of “rub, sage, mint, rosemary, wormwood, and lavender,” combined in “white-wine vinegar. Other remedies included bleeding the patient so that "good blood" could replace the "bad blood". Newspapers, not doctors, were the most common way to communicate cures. There was no notion of germ theory. People died young and birth mortality was high.

    So, don't gives us any bullshit comparison of the 18th century to the 21st century on this issue. It doesn't fly.
    Require a twenty dollar co pay every time someone uses medicare and you will discover an amazing decline in doctor visits. Suddenly, people wont be as sick as they claim they are.

    Healthcare became an entitlement because of medicare and medicaid and too many people have been abusing it. It is not necessary to go to a doctor two or three times a week. The growing monster wont stop growing, but a co pay will save billions of dollars on unnecessary doctor visits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rune View Post
    Indeed it was
    argumentum ad absurdum but you said it not me.

    If you don't think the government can make laws which confer legal rights then you need some remedial studies in both English and Civics.
    There's a lot of waste and abuse in entitlement healthcare. It's also not as efficient as the capitalist version [if the VA is any indication].

    Trump was amusingly correct when he said nobody understands how complicated it is. I work in it and see things every day that isn't cost effective. For example, my hospital had to buy all of these 60 inch TV's [so everyone can know the status of each patient] to put all over the OR suite in order to comply with Medicare.

    And nobody looks at the stupid things. It's insane.

    That's only one example.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Micawber View Post
    No we didn't. Even they the people didn't. And certainly we didn't, unless you are 250 years old.

    Adams, Jay, Jefferson, Franklin and maybe George through in a line or two.
    jesus fucking christ. how the hell do you morons live on a daily basis with such stupidity? what does the preamble state?

    WE THE PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!! WE THE PEOPLE had to vote and ratify it.

    who the fuck do YOU think wrote the constitution?
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    the total fucking stupidity on display by the leftists in this arena is so damned astounding. it's completely unreal. good god, we're fucking gone as a nation with you idiots running around out here spewing your statist viewpoints.
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    the total fucking stupidity on display by the leftists in this arena is so damned astounding. it's completely unreal. good god, we're fucking gone as a nation with you idiots running around out here spewing your statist viewpoints.
    The feeling is mutual brother.

    Your side elected a clown .. and you're talking about stupidity. :0)
    AMERICAN HISTORY ITSELF IS A TESTAMENT TO THE STRENGTH AND RESILIENCE OF AFRICAN PEOPLE. WE, ALONG WITH THE COURGE AND SACRIFICES OF CONSCIOUS WHITE AMERICANS, LIKE VIOLA LIUZZO, EVERETT DIRKSEN, AND MANY OTHERS, HAVE FOUGHT AND DIED TOGETHER FOR OUR FREEDOM, AND FOR OUR SURVIVAL.

    In America, rights are are not determined by what is just, fair, equitable, honest, nor by what Jesus would do. Rights are determined ONLY by what you can DEMAND.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    jesus fucking christ. how the hell do you morons live on a daily basis with such stupidity? what does the preamble state?

    WE THE PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!! WE THE PEOPLE had to vote and ratify it.

    who the fuck do YOU think wrote the constitution?
    Liberals
    AMERICAN HISTORY ITSELF IS A TESTAMENT TO THE STRENGTH AND RESILIENCE OF AFRICAN PEOPLE. WE, ALONG WITH THE COURGE AND SACRIFICES OF CONSCIOUS WHITE AMERICANS, LIKE VIOLA LIUZZO, EVERETT DIRKSEN, AND MANY OTHERS, HAVE FOUGHT AND DIED TOGETHER FOR OUR FREEDOM, AND FOR OUR SURVIVAL.

    In America, rights are are not determined by what is just, fair, equitable, honest, nor by what Jesus would do. Rights are determined ONLY by what you can DEMAND.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackascoal View Post
    Liberals
    But not leftists lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    But not leftists lol.
    Most certainly not from your side of the fence.

    Leftists / liberals .. same side of the fence.
    AMERICAN HISTORY ITSELF IS A TESTAMENT TO THE STRENGTH AND RESILIENCE OF AFRICAN PEOPLE. WE, ALONG WITH THE COURGE AND SACRIFICES OF CONSCIOUS WHITE AMERICANS, LIKE VIOLA LIUZZO, EVERETT DIRKSEN, AND MANY OTHERS, HAVE FOUGHT AND DIED TOGETHER FOR OUR FREEDOM, AND FOR OUR SURVIVAL.

    In America, rights are are not determined by what is just, fair, equitable, honest, nor by what Jesus would do. Rights are determined ONLY by what you can DEMAND.

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    I don't mind kicking up some tax money for health and disease issues. But, anything to do with pregnancy, birthing and feeding of crumb-crunchers is all on the mother and father (if one can be determined).
    Abortion rights dogma can obscure human reason & harden the human heart so much that the same person who feels
    empathy for animal suffering can lack compassion for unborn children who experience lethal violence and excruciating
    pain in abortion.

    Unborn animals are protected in their nesting places, humans are not. To abort something is to end something
    which has begun. To abort life is to end it.



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    Quote Originally Posted by domer76 View Post
    Jefferson was a proponent of rewriting the Constitution every 20 years so that each generation was not enslaved by the notions of the previous.
    Then set about changing it as t was meant to be changed

    You still can't fund the quote I asked for

    I accept your concession

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    the total fucking stupidity on display by the leftists in this arena is so damned astounding. it's completely unreal. good god, we're fucking gone as a nation with you idiots running around out here spewing your statist viewpoints.
    Your lack of self-awareness is astounding. You have been completely upside down with court and SCOTUS rulings on every fucking issue. Yet, everyone else is wrong and you are correct. What a fucking blind idiot.

    A 2A PUSSY to boot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I Love America View Post
    Then set about changing it as t was meant to be changed

    You still can't fund the quote I asked for

    I accept your concession
    I don't need it changed, moron. It's working fine as a living document. It's you cretinous originalists that scream "unconstitutional"!

    Lazy fuck. Here are your quotes:

    "Every constitution, then, and every law, naturally expires at the end of nineteen years. If it be enforced longer, it is an act of force, and not of right. It may be said, that the succeeding generation exercising, in fact, the power of repeal, this leaves them as free as if the constitution or law had been expressly limited to nineteen years only."

    "Each generation is as independent as the one preceding, as that was of all which had gone before. It has then, like them, a right to choose for itself the form of government it believes most promotive of its own happiness; consequently, to accommodate to the circumstances in which it finds itself that received from its predecessors;"

    "Forty years [after a] Constitution... was formed,... two-thirds of the adults then living are... dead. Have, then, the remaining third, even if they had the wish, the right to hold in obedience to their will and to laws heretofore made by them, the other two-thirds who with themselves compose the present mass of adults? If they have not, who has? The dead? But the dead have no rights. They are nothing, and nothing can not own something. Where there is no substance, there can be no accident [i.e., attribute]."

    Checkmate, motherfucker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackascoal View Post
    The feeling is mutual brother.

    Your side elected a clown .. and you're talking about stupidity. :0)
    voted for johnson, brother. remember?
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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