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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    there is a different between whats RIGHT and what is A RIGHT.
    a moral or legal entitlement to have or obtain something or to act in a certain way.

    The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people


    do you even understand the 9th?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    no, it wasn't legally JUDGED. Judges had absolutely zero to do with outlawing slavery. WE THE PEOPLE evolved and amended the constitution to make slavery unconstitutional, giving blacks the acknowledgement of all human rights.



    so if the younger generation DEMANDS a ferrari after highschool graduation, is it a RIGHT????
    The first sentence supposes that the people could change their minds and make black people human property again through amendment. The Ferrari comparison is inapt because it is untethered to any constitutionally recognized fundamental principle, whereas health care is rationally related to people's health and therefore life and as recognized in the due process clause of the 14th amendment.

    Also, a right can exist by creation of any law, it needn't be a constitutional right to have a right. If a for example single payer law pass, it would be you in the position of challenging that legal right as violative of your due process minority right against the majoritarian impulse that enacted it. Then there would be a scrutiny judicial review. You'd want the most strict to be applied, the proponents the least strict.

    I guess the argument that healthcare is an implied fundamental right is yet a further argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by domer76 View Post
    It's very difficult to have a conversation with such a simpleton, but some of us keep trying.
    lets test your stupid assed theory

    Quote Originally Posted by domer76 View Post
    If you provide a service to some, you provide that service to all. That's the right to a service, you fucking idiot. Even a moron knew what I was referring to, but you fail to reach that level.
    so I can go in to any grocery store or restaurant with my openly carried handgun because they let cops open carry there. thanks. same with courthouses??????

    Quote Originally Posted by domer76 View Post
    What a hypocritical pusswipe. You flail around as if you know something about the Constitution, yet you continually demonstrate your ignorance. The "shall not be infringed" bullshit is just one example. If you feel so strongly that is your right to carry that sawed off shotgun anywhere you want, why don't you? Because, turdlicker, you're either a PUSSY or a LIAR. I submit both. A LYING PUSSY.
    I would LOVE to go around with my sawed off shotgun. the problem isn't mine, its YOU!!!!!! because your COWARDICE of people with guns prompts you to BEG the government to keep us away from you. hence, you happily surrender not only YOUR right to do so, but those of us who are NOT cowards. it is YOUR ISSUE, you fucking underwear stripe.
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackascoal View Post
    You keep arguing your narrow view of what a 'right' is while at the same time calling the courts ... which DEFINE what a right is .. tyrannical.

    That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
    the REASON it doesn't make any sense to you is that you apparently do not have the cognitive recognition of who wrote the constitution and who did so with recognition of what rights people do have. the COURT didn't write the constitution. the GOVERNMENT did not write the constitution. WE THE PEOPLE wrote the constitution and did NOT give the courts any power to change what our rights are, though you liberals and socialists seemed way intent on doing as much.
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackascoal View Post
    .. and only you and libertarians get to decide?

    If your argument has any legal or constitutional standing your side would have already overturned the ACA on that basis.

    Why haven't you?
    because the majority of you sheeple are too afraid of liberty and making your own choices. or people like you have determined that the majority of people are not capable of making those decisions and that YOU must do so for them. more complicit tyranny of the courts.
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rune View Post
    Other than the absurdity;
    If the both houses of congress pass it and the president sings it and the courts find it constitutional then yes.
    THAT is fucking ridiculous
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rune View Post
    There is no right that allows an entity to take one's home for lack of paying medical bills.

    You are playing silly semantic word games that you don't even understand.

    Entitlements are payed for during the recipients working life.

    By what standard is there no "right" to healthcare? Does it not exist as a right simply because it is not directly enumerated in the Constitution, despite being indirectly enumerated multiple times? No. Th Constitution is not the origin of rights. It just records a few of them.

    Healthcare is a natural right as society exists today. As it was at the time of the founders. Then it was such a given that a Dr. would present services that it didn't need to be written down.

    By the way Reagan made it a right.

    Do you honestly believe that a law cannot be made granting a right?

    Honestly, it is like explaining things to a pre-teenager.
    Let's take your 'logic' for a ride lol.

    Suppose instead of not carrying health insurance I choose not to carry collision on my car insurance. Then let's say a tree falls on it.

    Shouldn't I have the same 'right' to have my car towed to the body shop and fixed?

    Is it simply a matter of getting enough people to agree with or getting a judge to rule in my favor?
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    Quote Originally Posted by domer76 View Post
    He asked for a quote, you fucking moron. I gave him the reference. Here are some quotes from Jefferson, basically saying each generation should not be bound the the ideas of a previous, dead one.

    "Every constitution, then, and every law, naturally expires at the end of nineteen years. If it be enforced longer, it is an act of force, and not of right. It may be said, that the succeeding generation exercising, in fact, the power of repeal, this leaves them as free as if the constitution or law had been expressly limited to nineteen years only."

    "Each generation is as independent as the one preceding, as that was of all which had gone before. It has then, like them, a right to choose for itself the form of government it believes most promotive of its own happiness; consequently, to accommodate to the circumstances in which it finds itself that received from its predecessors;"

    "Forty years [after a] Constitution... was formed,... two-thirds of the adults then living are... dead. Have, then, the remaining third, even if they had the wish, the right to hold in obedience to their will and to laws heretofore made by them, the other two-thirds who with themselves compose the present mass of adults? If they have not, who has? The dead? But the dead have no rights. They are nothing, and nothing can not own something. Where there is no substance, there can be no accident [i.e., attribute]."
    he also said that there should be a revolution every 20 years. should we do that?
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rune View Post
    a moral or legal entitlement to have or obtain something or to act in a certain way.

    The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people


    do you even understand the 9th?
    I understand the 9th very well. YOU don't apparently understand the difference between whats right and what IS a right.
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    lets test your stupid assed theory

    so I can go in to any grocery store or restaurant with my openly carried handgun because they let cops open carry there. thanks. same with courthouses??????

    I would LOVE to go around with my sawed off shotgun. the problem isn't mine, its YOU!!!!!! because your COWARDICE of people with guns prompts you to BEG the government to keep us away from you. hence, you happily surrender not only YOUR right to do so, but those of us who are NOT cowards. it is YOUR ISSUE, you fucking underwear stripe.
    Yep, you are a true moron.

    Can you carry your weapon into a courthouse because cops can? You are the dumbest motherfucker in the goddam world. As you put it, "let's test your stupid assed theory" that you can. DO IT, YOU PUSSY MOTHERFUCKER! Put your fucking money where your fucked up concepts of rights are. You won't, though. PUSSIES never do.

    The public accommodation concept is too complicated for you to comprehend.

    Dismissed, asshole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    the REASON it doesn't make any sense to you is that you apparently do not have the cognitive recognition of who wrote the constitution and who did so with recognition of what rights people do have. the COURT didn't write the constitution. the GOVERNMENT did not write the constitution. WE THE PEOPLE wrote the constitution and did NOT give the courts any power to change what our rights are, though you liberals and socialists seemed way intent on doing as much.

    Right. The government isn't the people.

    What an ignorant cunt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by domer76 View Post
    Yep, you are a true moron.

    Can you carry your weapon into a courthouse because cops can? You are the dumbest motherfucker in the goddam world. As you put it, "let's test your stupid assed theory" that you can. DO IT, YOU PUSSY MOTHERFUCKER! Put your fucking money where your fucked up concepts of rights are. You won't, though. PUSSIES never do.

    The public accommodation concept is too complicated for you to comprehend.

    Dismissed, asshole.
    make sure you buy new knee pads every week, gov sucker
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    It depends how you define 'healthcare' lol.

    If you're in a car wreck and come to the ER with an open femur fracture, you have every right to 'healthcare' regardless of your ability to pay.

    A total joint replacement for your arthritic hip? Not so much.
    Many seniors are going to their doctors two, sometimes three times a week. The system is being abused.

    What can a doctor do besides write you a prescription then call him/her if your symptoms don't improve. If you're that sick, then the doctor puts you in the hospital.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    THAT is fucking ridiculous
    Indeed it was
    argumentum ad absurdum but you said it not me.

    If you don't think the government can make laws which confer legal rights then you need some remedial studies in both English and Civics.
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    [QUOTE=SmarterthanYou;1889600]WE THE PEOPLE wrote the constitution

    No we didn't. Even they the people didn't. And certainly we didn't, unless you are 250 years old.

    Adams, Jay, Jefferson, Franklin and maybe George through in a line or two.

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