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    Quote Originally Posted by Rune View Post
    This is why Trump cannot withhold funding in an attempt to compel local officials to enforce federal law.
    The 10th amendment directly prohibits it.

    That the Justice Department is making this threat is an indictment of Sessions ability to carry out his duties.

    Interesting that this is now your approach. You turned a blind eye when Obama did it, but now all of a sudden you are a fan of federalism. Well, go fuck yourself. States don't have a right to federal monies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rune View Post
    Wrong,retard.
    When an illegal hurts someone it is the fault of the Feds, since they are tasked with preventing the illegals from entering.
    Since you don't understand something this fucking simple, you will never post in a thread of mine again.

    Tell me Ralph, you drunken ignorant shitstain, why did the GOP refuse to make illegal entry a felony?
    why does it have to be a felony?

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    Quote Originally Posted by I Love America View Post
    why does it have to be a felony?
    Why shouldn't it be?
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    Quote Originally Posted by I Love America View Post
    Interesting that this is now your approach. You turned a blind eye when Obama did it, but now all of a sudden you are a fan of federalism. Well, go fuck yourself. States don't have a right to federal monies.
    Obama did some illegal shit,
    I was vociferous in my objections to whatever I was aware of.

    I have always been a fan of federalism, by the way, retard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rune View Post
    Withholding funding to compel is an act of compelling.

    The Federal gov. cannot compel states to enforce Federal laws. It is the job of the Federal gov. to enforce Federal laws. That is why there are Federal courts in every state.

    Perhaps you should research the origins of sanctuary states and cities. It was the Feds ineptitude and the cities inability to withstand the cost burden of the Feds inaction which brought about the situation.
    perhaps you should research seat belt and speed limit laws in the USA
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rune View Post
    For the 11th time; states receive highway funding from the Fed.
    If they don't respect the wishes of the Feds re that funding then the funding can of course, be witheld.
    Since immigration is a Federal purview and states receive zero funds for immigration funding cannot be withheld. To do so would be to compel the state to enforce Federal law.
    This is known as commandeering and is a violation of the 10th Amendment.
    you are totally splitting hairs on this, intentionally, to cover your support of 'safety', the cry of the liberal tyrant.
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    perhaps you should research seat belt and speed limit laws in the USA
    Perhaps you should read the thread.
    This was covered repeatedly.

    The difference is that the feds provide funding for highways so of course they can withhold the funding.
    They do not, however, provide funding for immigration enforcement, holding that to be a purview of the Federal gov.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    you are totally splitting hairs on this, intentionally, to cover your support of 'safety', the cry of the liberal tyrant.
    You are such a fan of the Constitution, read the OP.

    Tell me what part of the OP you disagree with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    you are totally splitting hairs on this, intentionally, to cover your support of 'safety', the cry of the liberal tyrant.
    Damn, you can really be an idiot sometimes.

    It is the security statists that want this you fool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rune View Post
    Damn, you can really be an idiot sometimes.

    It is the security statists that want this you fool.
    and I don't agree with them either. what i'm pointing out is the hypocrisy of it on both sides, depending upon what one WANTS/FEELS
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    and I don't agree with them either. what i'm pointing out is the hypocrisy of it on both sides, depending upon what one WANTS/FEELS
    I agree,
    the problem is if you insist one right is sacrosanct (2nd) then you must defend the other 9 as well, whether they suit your cause or not.
    I thought you of all people would understand this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rune View Post
    I agree,
    the problem is if you insist one right is sacrosanct (2nd) then you must defend the other 9 as well, whether they suit your cause or not.
    I thought you of all people would understand this.
    do you have some post out there of a right that i've NOT defended?
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rune View Post
    Show where it says protect and serve the people, idiot.
    How about the State Oath of Office for all California police officers?

    "I_______________do solemnly swear (affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the Untied States against all enemies, both foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the Constitution of the Untied States and the State of California; that I will take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I faithfully discharge the duties upon which I am about to enter......."

    What does the State of California declare concerning Police Power/authority and providing for its citizens?

    It clearly...with no ambiguity declares, ".....What's commonly known as POLICE POWER and is the source of counties and cities regulatory authority to "PROTECT PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE......" -- Cal. Const., Article XI & 7

    Want to deflect away from your stupidity and ignorance again? You are really full of crap when you suggest that the police's duty is not to serve and protect the PUBLIC....in an attempt to claim they have no responsibility to the National Constitution nor their own state constitution. Question? If its not the duty of any California police officer to enforce federal law.....why swear to protect the nation and its constitution against all enemies both foreign and domestic? Or those who promote domestic discourse bordering on TREASON .... such as you and the left wing politicians in California.

    What will you do with the information that you declared did not exist? Nothing.....you will attempt to deflect with some ad hominem bull shit again by suggesting how stupid others are for not understanding your PROPAGANDA.
    Last edited by Ralph; 04-25-2017 at 07:37 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    do you have some post out there of a right that i've NOT defended?
    you are working on it in this thread, and this same subject has come up before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralph View Post
    How about the State Oath of Office for all California police officers?

    "I_______________do solemnly swear (affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the Untied States against all enemies, both foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the Constitution of the Untied States and the State of California; that I will take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I faithfully discharge the duties upon which I am about to enter......."

    What does the State of California declare concerning Police Power/authority and providing for its citizens?

    It clearly...with no ambiguity declares, ".....What's commonly known as POLICE POWER and is the source of counties and cities regulatory authority to "PROTECT PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE......" -- Cal. Const., Article XI & 7

    Want to deflect away from and stupidity and ignorance again? You are really full of crap when you suggest that the police's duty is not to serve and protect the PUBLIC....in an attempt to claim they have no responsibility to the National Constitution nor their own state constitution. Question? If its not the duty of any California police officer to enforce federal law.....why swear to protect the nation and its constitution against all enemies both foreign and domestic? Or those who promote domestic discourse bordering on TREASON .... such as you and the left wing politicians in California.
    Are your retarded?
    You just said the opposite, let me know when you decide what you really want to say.
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