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    Default Wasn't ISIS defeated 70 days ago?

    I must've missed that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitsuha Miyamizu View Post
    I must've missed that.
    Hey, with 8 years to flourish under Trump's closeted predecessor, it's a taller order than your average democrat thinks. Give it time, Pampers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Granule View Post
    Hey, with 8 years to flourish under Trump's closeted predecessor, it's a taller order than your average democrat thinks. Give it time, Pampers.
    Their #'s were actually pretty decimated under Obama, and they lost over half their territory.

    Trump had a secret plan to defeat them, and it wasn't supposed to take long at all. It was going to be done "quickly."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thing1 View Post
    Their #'s were actually pretty decimated under Obama, and they lost over half their territory.
    LOLOLOLOL

    omg, I love this constant spin from the left
    Who cares about facts

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    They were, but it was done secretly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thing1 View Post
    Their #'s were actually pretty decimated under Obama, and they lost over half their territory.

    Trump had a secret plan to defeat them, and it wasn't supposed to take long at all. It was going to be done "quickly."
    lol..they gained 100% of their territory under Obama.

    What's gonna be interesting is what is carved out for the Kurds-if not the boundaries are going to lead to border wars.
    And ISIS is not going away, it's gona be a nasty insurgency
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    Quote Originally Posted by coolbreeze View Post
    LOLOLOLOL

    omg, I love this constant spin from the left
    Who cares about facts
    Those are actually the facts.

    You guys are really pretty clueless about what is going on in the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    lol..they gained 100% of their territory under Obama.

    What's gonna be interesting is what is carved out for the Kurds-if not the boundaries are going to lead to border wars.
    And ISIS is not going away, it's gona be a nasty insurgency
    Don't be such a buffoon. Bush created the vacuum that allowed for ISIS.

    A poster like you should know better than that. Trump's whole spin that Obama did "nothing" against ISIS was for the uninformed. 10's of thousands of ISIS troops killed, and over 50% of their territory lost.

    Stop being such a hack. Restore some of your credibility.

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    ISIS is the group that took over where Al Queda left off. Its the same people, different leadership, different name.

    You people are silly to not see that nothing has changed in that region in 1000 years. They did not gain or lose territory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thing1 View Post
    Don't be such a buffoon. Bush created the vacuum that allowed for ISIS.

    A poster like you should know better than that. Trump's whole spin that Obama did "nothing" against ISIS was for the uninformed. 10's of thousands of ISIS troops killed, and over 50% of their territory lost.

    Stop being such a hack. Restore some of your credibility.
    LMAO @ You calling for an end to hackery.

    Why would you post such nonsense as "1/2 the territory was lost under Obama",when you know damn well right
    ISIS rolled untouched in convoys across Iraq conquering cities while Obama dismissed them as "JV?"

    Ya I know the history of ISIS, and you once asked me if I supported the Iraq war.
    I can assure you i was sickened by the jingoism and the 'yellow ribbons' that led us into war against a country that had little or nothing to do with 9-11.
    Point being I have been consistent -just like I've been consistent on interventionism ( regime change).

    But that was no reason not to look at anti-ISIS mow down in the desert as a counter-terrorism op.
    They were in convoys!
    It would have been of short duration -no regime change -and we wouldn't be going thru this protracted liberation of city after city.

    ISIS = "Islamic State of Iraq and Syria". without territory it would have remained AQI. a virulent insurgency
    Obama's fecklessness led us here, just like Bush did to AQI. get honest about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    LMAO @ You calling for an end to hackery.

    Why would you post such nonsense as "1/2 the territory was lost under Obama",when you know damn well right
    ISIS rolled untouched in convoys across Iraq conquering cities while Obama dismissed them as "JV?"

    Ya I know the history of ISIS, and you once asked me if I supported the Iraq war.
    I can assure you i was sickened by the jingoism and the 'yellow ribbons' that led us into war against a country that had little or nothing to do with 9-11.
    Point being I have been consistent -just like I've been consistent on interventionism ( regime change).

    But that was no reason not to look at anti-ISIS mow down in the desert as a counter-terrorism op.
    They were in convoys!
    It would have been of short duration -no regime change -and we wouldn't be going thru this protract liberation of city after city.

    ISIS = "Islamic State of Iraq and Syria". without territory it would have remained AQI.
    Obama's fecklessness led us here, just like Bush did to AQI. get honest about it.
    And YOU know that this country had no stomach at all for more troop presence in Iraq and more war after a decade+ of something that was supposed to be "6 months."

    I'm tired of this BS. The left warned the Bushies EN MASSE of the Pandora's Box he was opening up w/ Iraq. I don't care who followed Bush; there weren't a lot of options given public sentiment to make it less of a mess. People say we shouldn't have pulled out when we did, but literally no one has an estimate for how long we would have needed a very significant fighting presence there. The best guess is likely permanent.

    And no way the country would go for that. This will always be on Bush - sorry if that bothers you. He rushed to war, he was careless about considering the consequences. And his supporters loved every second of it. No one is rewriting this history while people who lived through it are still around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thing1 View Post
    And YOU know that this country had no stomach at all for more troop presence in Iraq and more war after a decade+ of something that was supposed to be "6 months."

    I'm tired of this BS. The left warned the Bushies EN MASSE of the Pandora's Box he was opening up w/ Iraq. I don't care who followed Bush; there weren't a lot of options given public sentiment to make it less of a mess. People say we shouldn't have pulled out when we did, but literally no one has an estimate for how long we would have needed a very significant fighting presence there. The best guess is likely permanent.

    And no way the country would go for that. This will always be on Bush - sorry if that bothers you. He rushed to war, he was careless about considering the consequences. And his supporters loved every second of it. No one is rewriting this history while people who lived through it are still around.
    what troop presence? was "troop presence" needed for Libya? No. Neither would have it been needed for ISIS in Iraq.

    all that was needed was an Air Force! no ground troops. It was a proverbial turkey shoot.
    We could have knocked them out in a few days, and kept suppressing them in the desert if they reformed

    when they got into the cities -then they became unable to target solely by air.

    Good Lord Thing.
    Look at what we did to Libya -bombed the crap out of Qaddafi and even there we bombed
    Misrata ( a city).
    We wouldn't even had to have done that if Obama had taken advantage of open targeting in the Iraqi desert.


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    You understand that either we or our allies have obliterated quite a few of those traveling convoys, correct?

    It's not like that one was all of ISIS or anything. As usual, you have tunnel vision about one or 2 very specific situations, and miss the much bigger picture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thing1 View Post
    Their #'s were actually pretty decimated under Obama, and they lost over half their territory.

    Trump had a secret plan to defeat them, and it wasn't supposed to take long at all. It was going to be done "quickly."
    they didn't even exist before Obama, so whatever their numbers were when Obama left office is what happened to their numbers under Obama......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thing1 View Post
    You understand that either we or our allies have obliterated quite a few of those traveling convoys, correct?

    It's not like that one was all of ISIS or anything. As usual, you have tunnel vision about one or 2 very specific situations, and miss the much bigger picture.
    The Iraqi forces fled from ISIS as they approached the Mosul & theAnbar cities leaving tanks and artillery
    -that's how ISIS got it's heavy weapons. That's how it became a true "terrorist army"

    If the US had hit ISIS in the desert during it's advance none of the cities would need liberation today.
    and ISIS would never have become a regional power ( short term -but still a regional terrorist army)

    It was a complete abandonment by Obama, rationalized by his "JV" nonsense.

    Untold suffering and death by his failure to act is his legacy in Iraq..it was as bad a mistake as going into Iraq
    and I think it was worse the Libya, and you know what a FUBAR call that was by Hillary/Obama
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