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    Hey - thought I would just jump into the fray before doing this

    I'm the new guy.

    Ideaology wise - I am all over thew place

    my core family practices communism - My wife and I produce everything but the kids have all the needs and get all the fruits of the labor

    I think local communities should lean left and the farther up the power chain you go - the more libertarian things need to be.

    Progressives at the federal level anger me. Neocons at any level angers me. Fiat currency angers me. Empire building angers me. tax on labor angers me. Sean Hannity angers me. Wolf Blitzer angers me.

    I don't watch fox news unless I want to get angry. I don't watch cnn unless I wish to be angry.

    overall, this place seems nice. I do not understand why it is allowed to have multiple sign-on's - but otherwise, the rules seem good.

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    Not making fun of you, but that is quite a funny philosophy. I agree with it somewhat. I like the kids part, kind of true.

    Why should local communities lean left? And then why should change the higher up you go? I presume you mean up to the state and federal level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yaya View Post
    Not making fun of you, but that is quite a funny philosophy. I agree with it somewhat. I like the kids part, kind of true.

    Why should local communities lean left? And then why should change the higher up you go? I presume you mean up to the state and federal level.
    Thanks for asking!

    I hope all Americans agree with the general concept that the purpose of government is to protect our rights. The problem isn't in the goal, it is the execution.

    In trying to achieve those goals, you won't please everyone. That is something else I think we can all agree with.

    So at its face, you could look at this in mathematical terms. If you have one policy that is very divisive - meaning a high percentage are unhappy with the outcome - the higher up in government you go, the more people become unhappy. Eventually you see a system of people that may still agree on the general purpose of government constantly bickering and genuinely pissed off at one another - which I think we can all agree is the times we live in today.

    So as I see it, many of the policies of the left and right are good, but must be done at the local level. We were all taught about the checks and balances of the branches of governments, but they didn't bother to teach about one of the best ones - we can vote with our feet when smaller governments act badly. Competition exists between towns, counties, and states - and we should use that as an advantage whenever possible.

    Now in fairness - this means policies on the far right also can be implemented at the local level - I personally have no tolerance for social conservatism - but for this all to work, they get to push that crap on local levels too - but I'm moving and won't be vacationing there. Same goes with the far left - they want to create a utopia of bathroom equality for all - have at it - I'll just take my chain of gym's elsewhere.

    But when it comes to federal policy, it should be about protecting the country and regulating relations between the states - those issues are important enough and we are short sighted enough as a nation to where it is probably too much to ask of our constituents to stay informed on just those issues.

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    UOTE=zymurgy;1880663]Thanks for asking!
    You are welcome.

    I hope all Americans agree with the general concept that the purpose of government is to protect our rights. The problem isn't in the goal, it is the execution.
    I agree with you that the purpose of government is to protect our rights. Yes, execution is a problem, however, no form of government on this earth is perfect. I've been involved with local government, up to the county level, but not the state or federal level. However, I know people who are at the state and federal level and from what they say, it is similar to the local level. Problem is, which I think you agree with, is that the larger the population gets, the harder it is to 'manage' or govern them. This is why I support the Federal system, while recognizing state rights, which essentially gives us local government. IMO.

    In trying to achieve those goals, you won't please everyone. That is something else I think we can all agree with.

    So at its face, you could look at this in mathematical terms. If you have one policy that is very divisive - meaning a high percentage are unhappy with the outcome - the higher up in government you go, the more people become unhappy. Eventually you see a system of people that may still agree on the general purpose of government constantly bickering and genuinely pissed off at one another - which I think we can all agree is the times we live in today.
    I think I understand your point, and I think it goes back to my opinion about a federal government. We cannot all be local chieftains. Other governments implemented a King or monarchy type of government. We have a republic, there is not king per se, however, we do have a federal President.

    So as I see it, many of the policies of the left and right are good, but must be done at the local level. We were all taught about the checks and balances of the branches of governments, but they didn't bother to teach about one of the best ones - we can vote with our feet when smaller governments act badly. Competition exists between towns, counties, and states - and we should use that as an advantage whenever possible.
    What do you mean by "best ones"? I don't think there is really a competition between towns, counties and states. At least not from my perspective. Out local government operates just fine. And I have never seen them be in competition with any other county or at the state level.


    Now in fairness - this means policies on the far right also can be implemented at the local level - I personally have no tolerance for social conservatism - but for this all to work, they get to push that crap on local levels too - but I'm moving and won't be vacationing there. Same goes with the far left - they want to create a utopia of bathroom equality for all - have at it - I'll just take my chain of gym's elsewhere.
    I am socially liberal for the most part. However, if you do not have any social conservatism, then isn't the door wide open for anything?

    But when it comes to federal policy, it should be about protecting the country and regulating relations between the states - those issues are important enough and we are short sighted enough as a nation to where it is probably too much to ask of our constituents to stay informed on just those issues.
    I don't think the federal government is just about maintaining state to state relationships. It is also about global relationships.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yaya View Post
    What do you mean by "best ones"?
    I mean that being able to move to another area with a different government is the best check against bad government. We are taught about the three equal branches being a check on that abuse of power - but not that we were a union of individual states as a a check as well.

    I don't think there is really a competition between towns, counties and states. At least not from my perspective. Out local government operates just fine. And I have never seen them be in competition with any other county or at the state level.
    It happens in all the states. Some are quite transparent as tax and other policies are changed to compel companies to move from one area to another.


    I am socially liberal for the most part. However, if you do not have any social conservatism, then isn't the door wide open for anything?
    I'm not following you. This country is pretty vast though, you will always have social conservatism - but so long as the power remains local I'm not too concerned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yaya View Post
    Not making fun of you, but that is quite a funny philosophy. I agree with it somewhat. I like the kids part, kind of true.

    Why should local communities lean left? And then why should change the higher up you go? I presume you mean up to the state and federal level.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zymurgy View Post
    Hey - thought I would just jump into the fray before doing this

    I'm the new guy.

    Ideaology wise - I am all over thew place

    my core family practices communism - My wife and I produce everything but the kids have all the needs and get all the fruits of the labor

    I think local communities should lean left and the farther up the power chain you go - the more libertarian things need to be.

    Progressives at the federal level anger me. Neocons at any level angers me. Fiat currency angers me. Empire building angers me. tax on labor angers me. Sean Hannity angers me. Wolf Blitzer angers me.

    I don't watch fox news unless I want to get angry. I don't watch cnn unless I wish to be angry.

    overall, this place seems nice. I do not understand why it is allowed to have multiple sign-on's - but otherwise, the rules seem good.
    your libertarian ideas are based on stupid


    the Austrian school of economics is a joke

    they dont like math so they treat economics like a social studies program


    you are a very confused person who has no ideas that are your own

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    Quote Originally Posted by zymurgy View Post
    Hey - thought I would just jump into the fray before doing this

    I'm the new guy.

    Ideaology wise - I am all over thew place

    my core family practices communism - My wife and I produce everything but the kids have all the needs and get all the fruits of the labor

    I think local communities should lean left and the farther up the power chain you go - the more libertarian things need to be.

    Progressives at the federal level anger me. Neocons at any level angers me. Fiat currency angers me. Empire building angers me. tax on labor angers me. Sean Hannity angers me. Wolf Blitzer angers me.

    I don't watch fox news unless I want to get angry. I don't watch cnn unless I wish to be angry.

    overall, this place seems nice. I do not understand why it is allowed to have multiple sign-on's - but otherwise, the rules seem good.
    Good luck the right wing Republican/Fascist here hate everyone but blind white trash Trump worshippers!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mason sock View Post
    Good luck the right wing Republican/Fascist here hate everyone but blind white trash Trump worshippers!
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    Quote Originally Posted by One foot on a banana peel View Post
    Good luck the right wing Republican/Fascist here hate everyone but blind white trash Trump worshippers!
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    I find the wingnuts on the left to be just as bad as the ones on the right.


    That you single out the ones on the right exclusively indicate you are part of of the problem around here

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    Quote Originally Posted by zymurgy View Post
    That you single out the ones on the right exclusively indicate you are part of of the problem around here
    He's Mason's sock, I think; one of several.

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