Fact Check: Trump, Faulting Obama on Syria, Contradicts Himself - Shilling for RUSSIA

[blackascoal]

In a statement condemning Tuesday’s chemical attack in Syria, President Trump faulted the administration of former President Barack Obama for not intervening more aggressively in that country’s civil war — contradicting his own, earlier advice.

“Today’s chemical attack in Syria against innocent people, including women and children, is reprehensible and cannot be ignored by the civilized world,” Mr. Trump said in the statement released by the White House. “These heinous actions by the Bashar al-Assad regime are a consequence of the past administration’s weakness and irresolution.”

“President Obama said in 2012 that he would establish a ‘red line’ against the use of chemical weapons and then did nothing,” Mr. Trump continued, referring to Mr. Obama’s first direct threat of force. “The United States stands with our allies across the globe to condemn this intolerable attack.”

But Mr. Trump has repeatedly advocated doing “nothing” in Syria, insisting it is not America’s “problem.”

Mr. Trump told Mr. Obama to ‘not attack.’

In 2013, the Obama administration concluded that the government of Syria’s president, Mr. Assad, had used chemical weapons in an attack that killed hundreds of people on the outskirts of Damascus. At the time, critics noted that Mr. Obama was stepping back from his own “red line” threat to punish Mr. Assad for deploying chemical weapons.

Mr. Trump also mentioned the red line threat, but to counsel restraint.

In more than a dozen messages on Twitter in 2013 and 2014, Mr. Trump repeated his advice, emphatically stating that “Syria is NOT our problem,” appealing directly to Mr. Obama to “not attack Syria” as “there is no upside and tremendous downside” and telling him to “stay out of Syria.”

Mr. Trump shrugged at calls to use force against Mr. Assad’s government and endorsed Russia’s support of the Syrian leader.

“You have Russia that’s now there. Russia’s on the side of Assad, and Russia wants to get rid of ISIS as much as we do, if not more, because they don’t want them coming into Russia,” Mr. Trump said in a September 2015 interview with CNN. “Let Syria and ISIS fight. Why do we care?”

In a May 2016 interview on MSNBC, Mr. Trump said the United States had “bigger problems than Assad.” He added, “I would have stayed out of Syria and wouldn’t have fought so much for Assad, against Assad.”

So emphatic was Mr. Trump’s stance on Syria that he disavowed the stance of his own running mate. After the October 2016 vice-presidential debate, when Mike Pence, then governor of Indiana, backed strikes against Mr. Assad, Mr. Trump stated, “I disagree.”

Mr. Trump also disparaged Mrs. Clinton’s campaign stances on Syria — she had denounced Russia’s intervention in the war and called for a no-fly zone — and Mr. Trump said numerous times that her policies would “lead to World War III.”
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/factch...D=ansmsnnews11

[evince]

he is pouring in American troops to Syria


he may try to go without congressional approval


Obama was turned down by congress


what will trumpy do if turned down

[anatta]

“President Obama said in 2012 that he would establish a ‘red line’ against the use of chemical weapons and then did nothing,” Mr. Trump continued, referring to Mr. Obama’s first direct threat of force. “The United States stands with our allies across the globe to condemn this intolerable attack.”

the red line coupled with Kerry remarks that led to Russia removing chem webs is what really shut us out of Syrian negotiations.
we lost all credibility as a player, and Russia has now not just air, but land forces and bases in Syria.

None of which I am too concerned about in itself -Syria being a traditional client state.

However that coupled with Russian expansion into Libya/Egypt and partnering with Iraq is beyond Putin's wildest dreams.
Previously he would have been happy as partnering with the Shi'a Crescent -but now he's got his hands on the whole middle east enchilada.

at least Trump's instincts were correct - the red line was an example of Obama fecklessness in the mideast
and with Putin.
But as usual his tweets are mixed nothingness of concept.

Putting a jumbled up tweet up against Obama's utterly failed foreign policy not just in the ME but in dealing with Putin..
I'll take a jumbled tweet.

[evince]

Was Obama supposed to go I n without congressional approval asshole russobot

[evince]

CONGRESS SAID NO


what fucking lie bags you russobots are

[Cancel 2018.2]

Maybe he changed his mind once this happened or maybe once he saw the real Intel.

Obama reversed stances as well. But for Trump to blame Obama is total hypocrisy.

[blackascoal]

Was Obama supposed to go I n without congressional approval asshole russobot

Notice how that dumb fuck immediately made excuses for Trump's bullshit.

Trump's opposition to doing anything about Syria didn't just come from tweets. NOW he attacks Obama for 'doing nothing' .. which is not the case.

Who will fight ISIS alongside the US?

Turkey sees Syrian Kurdish forces as terrorists connected to their own outlawed PKK. And Turkey has made no secret of its desire to see the U.S. divorce itself from the YPG and YPJ. At the same time, U.S. military leadership sees these People’s Protection Units as among America’s most battle-tested and reliable allies on the ground, a force both willing and formidable.*These forces moved closer to the U.S. when the Obama administration opted to fight this war “by, with, through” local soldiers.

In other words, America’s challenge right now is to lead the war without leading the battle and to shepherd the fight without losing its allies to infighting.

http://www.defenseone.com/ideas/2017...t-isis/136287/

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Commanders say they’re already fighting ISIS the right way: “by, with, and through" local forces
http://www.defenseone.com/ideas/2017...-trump/134609/

[evince]

Maybe he changed his mind once this happened or maybe once he saw the real Intel.

Obama reversed stances as well. But for Trump to blame Obama is total hypocrisy.

No he didn't you fucking asshole


congress voted NO to going in


its how America is set up asshole russo bot

[anatta]

No he didn't you fucking asshole congress voted NO to going in
its how America is set up asshole russo bot

the bill never rec'd a floor vote.

[anatta]

christ the generals are getting to him..i sincerely hope we do not do anything more then kill ISIS.
Going after Assad in any way is hopelessly counter-productive

[anatta]

one the other hand...normalizing relations with Egypt is a YUGE win for Trump.
and Jordan is a key ally. And SA has already been to the WH..

kudos - all this is a very good turn of events