How do the JPP Russia-phobes spin this?

[Darth Omar]

You are on a roll.
Russia is a "geo-political foe" indeed -they are NOT just a regional power as Obama called them.
But it doesn't mean we need to constantly stoke the weapons systems, or refuse to find common ground.

Putin is a rationalist, Treat him as such and quit the Russiaphobia,

NATO expansionism serves no military/ geopolitical purpose other then to create more avenues for misadventure

Indeed.

Our concern with Putin is generally centered around Europe and NATO. But even at that, Erdogan is every bit the bully Putin is---if not more. He recently told Europeans 'they wouldn't be safe in their own streets' unless Turkey is better treated. Europeans are less safe in their streets then they used to be even without Erdogan's threat.

The existential threat to Europe doesn't come from Moscow: it comes from demographics and Europe's own open immigration policy.

Putin, their supposed enemy, has castigated them for it.

[anatta]

Indeed.

Our concern with Putin is generally centered around Europe and NATO. But even at that, Erdogan is every bit the bully Putin is---if not more. He recently told Europeans 'they wouldn't be safe in their own streets' unless Turkey is better treated. Europeans are less safe in their streets then they used to be even without Erdogan's threat.

The existential threat to Europe doesn't come from Moscow: it comes from demographics and Europe's own open immigration policy.

Putin, their supposed enemy, has castigated them for it.

Ya. Obama left everything is such tatters, Putin has moved in at every opening. 2 years ago Turkey was shooting down Russian planes -now Erdogan and Putin are BFF.
Erdogan is damn near an Islamists -but he's a key NATO player ( and before NATO expansionism)and relations have not been kept up under Obama, much like Obama's dissing of the Sunni states.

[Darth Omar]

Ya. Obama left everything is such tatters, Putin has moved in at every opening. 2 years ago Turkey was shooting down Russian planes -now Erdogan and Putin are BFF.
Erdogan is damn near an Islamists -but he's a key NATO player ( and before NATO expansionism)and relations have not been kept up under Obama, much like Obama's dissing of the Sunni states.

We should absolutely be wary of Erdogan, imo. I think he's Islamist through and through: his rhetoric betrays him. Islamism is expansionist by nature; whereas, I don't know that Putin has a comprehensive ideology beyond Russian nationalism.

I would trust Erdogan about as far as I could throw him. Putin, can be reasoned with.

[anatta]

We should absolutely be wary of Erdogan, imo. I think he's Islamist through and through: his rhetoric betrays him. Islamism is expansionist by nature; whereas, I don't know that Putin has a comprehensive ideology beyond Russian nationalism.

I would trust Erdogan about as far as I could throw him. Putin, can be reasoned with.

well he's a necessary evil/fascist (turkey). But I agree he's a snake

[Althea]

Just as I thought ... more State Media FAKE NEWS! ... thanks!

You might as well just type 'bigly' in every post.

[Althea]

You know, during the Cold War, JFK invited nuclear war by blockading Cuba - an act of war. This tells me that the Soviets were just as hesitant to use nukes as the Putin regime likely is.

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Kruschev is not Putin

[Althea]

JFK was involved in a chess match that involved nightmarish stakes. Yes, the Soviets were hesitant to use their nukes but tensions between the two countries were amped-up to the point the prospect of nuclear war was quite real.

I prefer not to make that mistake with Putin. Especially, not over some half-baked theory about 'Russians stealing an election'. Or that *he might* do this or that thing in the Baltics or whatever.

We have plenty on our plate with NK---who have actually threatened to nuke us. The Iranians are threatening to start WWIII in the Middle East. Radical Islam.

Russia? Give me a break. The last thing we need is to go looking for enemies when we already have as many as we can handle.

PUtin is too wealthy from his years of raping his people. He's not going to start a nuclear war.

This is about Putin using basic KGB methods to dupe the orange buffoon into letting him into the bowels of U.S govt.

There is no need for nukes in the 21st century.

[Althea]

The Twin Towers falling would have been scoffed at in similar manner in August 2001. Radical Islam is threat number one.

Until Russia actually threatens us they aren't even on the radar.

It WAS scoffed at by the last Republican moron who was selected by the SC. And we thought we'd never see another who was as incompetent as Bush?

[Darth Omar]

well he's a necessary evil/fascist (turkey). But I agree he's a snake

You pointed out that Russia and Turkey were at odds a year ago but now they've got warm relations.

Why is that? Because we're pushing them in that direction. Europe/NATO should be wary of a Russia-Turkey alliance because if it would ever come to trading military punches, Europe would be looking at two fronts instead of one.

What should be happening instead is an anti-Islamist alliance. That's our common ground with Putin. That's why NATO needs re-tooled.

[anatta]

PUtin is too wealthy from his years of raping his people. He's not going to start a nuclear war.

This is about Putin using basic KGB methods to dupe the orange buffoon into letting him into the bowels of U.S govt.

There is no need for nukes in the 21st century.

LOL..
Flynn talking to Russian ambassadors, or Manafort's money trail inevitably leads to the "bowels" of the US gov't

[evince]

that is what the FBI says

but you hate Americans and American government
huh russobot

[anatta]

You pointed out that Russia and Turkey were at odds a year ago but now they've got warm relations.

Why is that? Because we're pushing them in that direction. Europe/NATO should be wary of a Russia-Turkey alliance because if it would ever come to trading military punches, Europe would be looking at two fronts instead of one.

What should be happening instead is an anti-Islamist alliance. That's our common ground with Putin. That's why NATO needs re-tooled.

well they were at odds over Syria (Syrian Kurds’ armed militia units, the YPG). at least..but they are natural trade partners.
and you can't shut erdogan out of anti-ISIS/AQ activities either..Ankara gets regularly bombed..

But the US/Russia and NATO all do have common anti-terrorism goals,and Trump has addressed that with NATO

http://www.dw.com/en/nato-moves-clos...ism/a-37574404
NATO moves closer to Trump priority of fighting terrorism
NATO is stepping up its fight against the so-called "Islamic State" (IS) and other violent extremists by launching a new center in Naples. The hub is dedicated to facing challenges from North Africa and the Middle East

[evince]

suck that putin cock bot

[Darth Omar]

LOL..
Flynn talking to Russian ambassadors, or Manafort's money trail inevitably leads to the "bowels" of the US gov't

Actually, it's gets blocked at the illeocecal junction.

[anatta]

Actually, it's gets blocked at the illeocecal junction.

maybe it needs Trumps Swamp Draining Service