"GOP cave on Obamacare repeal is the biggest broken promise in political history"

[zappasguitar]

Buy the Book Zap. If you read you might learn something. Do a google search. This info isn't new, it's been around for years. WaPo gave it four pinnichoios, Polifact the lie of the year. Glad you keep up.

No proof, as I suspected.

No problem.

[cawacko]

No proof, as I suspected.

No problem.

Damn you're lazy

[Bill Fishlore]

The AHCA fiasco comes from a flaw buried deep in the foundation of the conservative movement, which has become an uneasy coalition of populist demagogues and fiscal conservatives. The fiscal conservatives have a coherent ideology about small government and individual responsibility operating with a framework of largely unregulated markets. The great problem is that the living standards it creates for a majority of Americans have not been satisfactory and the cheerful optimism of the Reagan era has faded.

Against this backdrop, conservative talk radio has rallied large numbers of America's discontented, focusing their frustration on superficial social changes in the role of women, blacks and Mexican immigrants. Their skillful oratory has energized a powerful voter group but their plans are really just vague but exciting fantasy panaceas.

Into this chaos comes a narcissistic billionaire opportunist whose policies are those his class but whose rhetoric is that of TEA Party populism. Neither his experience on TV nor the eight year long "just say 'no'" strategy of the GOP in Congress has prepared him for the complex task of putting together an administration and working up a program that would bridge the gap between his big business base and the Freedom Caucus fiscal conservatives whose vote is necessary to pass bills. "Nobody knew it was going to be so complicated!" At least Donald Trump had no idea how complicated actually governing through the fractured Republican Party was going to be. He is beginning to find out.

[Minister of Truth]

No proof, as I suspected.

No problem.

Gruber admitted it was a pack of lies on video. Unless you have proof that he was lying about lying, then...

[Bill Fishlore]

It's not as if the Republicans didn't want to repeal ACA, they just never made any serious plan to do so. Partly this was because ACA is a market-based program designed by the Heritage Foundation, i.e. a Republican approach to healthcare, partly it was because Ryan is inept and Trump lazy and inexperienced. But mostly it was because the Republican Party, deafened by its own propaganda, convinced itself that ACA is "a disaster" and that most voters want to dump it. When they found out that both those assumptions were false, Trump and the GOP didn't know whether to scratch their watches or wind their asses. Pathetic, and with a long-term price they have only begun to pay.

[zappasguitar]

Regarding the claim that "If you like your Doctor, you can keep him"...

Obama, in a Nov. 4, 2013, speech, tried to explain his past promises by saying “what we said was you can keep it if it hasn’t changed since the law passed.” Asked when the president had previously included that detail, White House Press Secretary Jay Carney, in a Nov. 5 press briefing, said Obama was referring to the law’s clause allowing insurers and employers to “grandfather” plans offered before the bill became law.

“The president was referring to the law and to the fact that the law was written in a way — and everybody who closely covered the drafting of that legislation knew it was written about — that the grandfathering clause was in the law, and he was referring to the implementation of that law through the rule process,” Carney said.

Grandfathered health plans do not have to meet all of the law’s new coverage requirements. But in order to be grandfathered, health plans must have existed on March 23, 2010. Those with individual grandfathered plans had to have them before the law took effect. And to maintain their grandfathered status, the plans must not be changed to cut benefits or significantly raise prices for consumers through deductibles or co-pays.

http://www.factcheck.org/2013/11/kee...r-health-plan/

Except the private insurance companies, understanding what a golden opportunity they had been given to make Obama look like a liar, CHANGED the policies just enough to keep them from being grandfathered.

[PostmodernProphet]

Regarding the claim that "If you like your Doctor, you can keep him"...

Obama, in a Nov. 4, 2013, speech, tried to explain his past promises by saying “what we said was you can keep it if it hasn’t changed since the law passed.” Asked when the president had previously included that detail, White House Press Secretary Jay Carney, in a Nov. 5 press briefing, said Obama was referring to the law’s clause allowing insurers and employers to “grandfather” plans offered before the bill became law.

“The president was referring to the law and to the fact that the law was written in a way — and everybody who closely covered the drafting of that legislation knew it was written about — that the grandfathering clause was in the law, and he was referring to the implementation of that law through the rule process,” Carney said.

Grandfathered health plans do not have to meet all of the law’s new coverage requirements. But in order to be grandfathered, health plans must have existed on March 23, 2010. Those with individual grandfathered plans had to have them before the law took effect. And to maintain their grandfathered status, the plans must not be changed to cut benefits or significantly raise prices for consumers through deductibles or co-pays.

http://www.factcheck.org/2013/11/kee...r-health-plan/

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bullshit.....my plan existed prior to 2010, but was cancelled immediately and replaced with something twice as expensive......

Except the private insurance companies, understanding what a golden opportunity they had been given to make Obama look like a liar, CHANGED the policies just enough to keep them from being grandfathered

so you admit the act didn't insure that if we liked our plan we could keep it.......because the act permitted companies to profit more from providing health care the Demmycrat way, what we had was ruined........

[evince]

"Republicans ran on repealing and replacing Obamacare for seven years, over the course of four election cycles"

"In 2010, they campaigned on repeal, but by 2011, they said they needed the Senate. In 2014, they won the Senate, but by 2015 they said as long as Obama was in office, nothing would become law. In 2016, they told conservative voters, even reluctant ones, that if they voted for Trump despite any reservations, they'd finally be able to repeal Obamacare. In November, voters gave them unified control of Washington. And yet after just two months on the job, they have thrown in the towel and said they're willing to abandon seven years of promises"

"Here's the bottom line: Republicans didn't want to repeal Obamacare that badly. Obamacare was a useful tool for them. For years, they could use it to score short-term messaging victories"

"Failing and then walking away on seven years of promises is a pathetic abdication of duty"

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/go...rticle/2618413

And that is a conservative source, not the "MSM"

the interesting thing is very few people are sad about the fail



everyone knows its massive stupid to let people just die

[Bill]

"Republicans ran on repealing and replacing Obamacare for seven years, over the course of four election cycles"

"In 2010, they campaigned on repeal, but by 2011, they said they needed the Senate. In 2014, they won the Senate, but by 2015 they said as long as Obama was in office, nothing would become law. In 2016, they told conservative voters, even reluctant ones, that if they voted for Trump despite any reservations, they'd finally be able to repeal Obamacare. In November, voters gave them unified control of Washington. And yet after just two months on the job, they have thrown in the towel and said they're willing to abandon seven years of promises"

"Here's the bottom line: Republicans didn't want to repeal Obamacare that badly. Obamacare was a useful tool for them. For years, they could use it to score short-term messaging victories"

"Failing and then walking away on seven years of promises is a pathetic abdication of duty"

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/go...rticle/2618413

And that is a conservative source, not the "MSM"

??? Pls don't blame rumpf for this!!!!

When he said he had a plan, what he was really saying was he was going to have a plan & after spending several hours on it he concluded it was hard(who knew) so he delegated it to ryan..

So to try & imply rumpf or his plan failed is just fake news, bull shit, he didn't even have a plan

[zappasguitar]

bullshit.....my plan existed prior to 2010, but was cancelled immediately and replaced with something twice as expensive......

so you admit the act didn't insure that if we liked our plan we could keep it.......because the act permitted companies to profit more from providing health care the Demmycrat way, what we had was ruined........

Yup, we can hold Obama responsible for not taking into consideration just how deep insurance corporation greed ran and how willing they were to screw over their customers for increased profits.

BAD Obama for assuming corporate America might look beyond the almighty dollar to actually give a shit about their fellow Americans.

[PostmodernProphet]

Yup, we can hold Obama responsible for not taking into consideration just how deep insurance corporation greed ran and how willing they were to screw over their customers for increased profits.
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its amazing it took the Demmycrats by surprise then......why didn't they prohibit it?.......then if we liked our policy we could have kept or policy......and Obama wouldn't have been a liar......

[zappasguitar]

its amazing it took the Demmycrats by surprise then......why didn't they prohibit it?.......then if we liked our policy we could have kept or policy......and Obama wouldn't have been a liar......

They too underestimated the GREED of insurance corporation CEO's.

[Stretch]

"the biggest broken promise in political history '.................that would be when Obama took an oath to uphold the Constitution.

[Althea]

Gruber admitted it was a pack of lies on video. Unless you have proof that he was lying about lying, then...

No...no he didn't

[Althea]

Regarding the claim that "If you like your Doctor, you can keep him"...

Obama, in a Nov. 4, 2013, speech, tried to explain his past promises by saying “what we said was you can keep it if it hasn’t changed since the law passed.” Asked when the president had previously included that detail, White House Press Secretary Jay Carney, in a Nov. 5 press briefing, said Obama was referring to the law’s clause allowing insurers and employers to “grandfather” plans offered before the bill became law.

“The president was referring to the law and to the fact that the law was written in a way — and everybody who closely covered the drafting of that legislation knew it was written about — that the grandfathering clause was in the law, and he was referring to the implementation of that law through the rule process,” Carney said.

Grandfathered health plans do not have to meet all of the law’s new coverage requirements. But in order to be grandfathered, health plans must have existed on March 23, 2010. Those with individual grandfathered plans had to have them before the law took effect. And to maintain their grandfathered status, the plans must not be changed to cut benefits or significantly raise prices for consumers through deductibles or co-pays.

http://www.factcheck.org/2013/11/kee...r-health-plan/

Except the private insurance companies, understanding what a golden opportunity they had been given to make Obama look like a liar, CHANGED the policies just enough to keep them from being grandfathered.

Correct. And they wanted to narrow their networks, so they took advantage of the opportunity.