The Freedom Caucus exemplifies the problem with conservatism,

[Rune]

That's all we've ever done is compromise...with Dems...with the alt left...with rinos.................enough, it's the other guys' turn for awhile.

That's working real well you idiot.

[SmarterthanYou]

"the slow and gradual dissolution of our natural rights?" Outside of some Lockean consideration what in the hell is that suppose to mean, "the slow and gradual dissolution of our natural rights?"

maybe because you're a moron, everytime a new law is passed, it chips away at our liberties making us less free.

[anatta]

Freedom Caucus are a bunch of spoiled brats

[Minister of Truth]

Freedom Caucus are a bunch of spoiled brats

Did you think they were populist sellouts like the rest of the party?

[Darth Omar]

Freedom Caucus are a bunch of spoiled brats

I sort alluded to that in another thread.

Getting any sort of consensus on a healthcare bill is going to be difficult because it's like there's two parties in the GOP. Not that democrats would fare any better because they have their own establishment at odds with the Bernie/Warren wing.

It's remarkable the ACA ever got passed to begin with. Then it had to survive SCOTUS and it only did that because of an imaginative ruling by the bench. It was a bad day for the country when it did pass because this wreck is going to ramble down the road before it finally finds a ditch.

In 2009 I was preaching incrementalism: it's less difficult to get people to agree on small changes and it decreases the odds of mucking up the whole system.

[anatta]

Did you think they were populist sellouts like the rest of the party?

I think they are Spoiled Brats *whah whah -we want it all for ourselves*

[anatta]

I sort alluded to that in another thread.

Getting any sort of consensus on a healthcare bill is going to be difficult because it's like there's two parties in the GOP. Not that democrats would fare any better because they have their own establishment at odds with the Bernie/Warren wing.

It's remarkable the ACA ever got passed to begin with. Then it had to survive SCOTUS and it only did that because of an imaginative ruling by the bench. It was a bad day for the country when it did pass because this wreck is going to ramble down the road before it finally finds a ditch.

In 2009 I was preaching incrementalism: it's less difficult to get people to agree on small changes and it decreases the odds of mucking up the whole system.

well the ACA had popular appeal - who doesn't want universal access? .
Ya.. I recall the Roberts "tax"..who could see that coming?

[Darth Omar]

well the ACA had popular appeal - who doesn't want universal access? .
Ya.. I recall the Roberts "tax"..who could see that coming?

Not me lol.

The bill was popular---depending who you're talking to. It put an onerous burden on small businesses who were forced under the ACA to either offer health insurance or pay a fine. If you have a pre-existing condition then you'll love it. If you're forced to pay higher premiums in order to pick up the slack, you're not going to like it.

Politically, it was a net loss for the democrats---if the numbers of seats they lost nationally are any indication. And that started with the 2010 shellacking.

[BRUTALITOPS]

Well then you'll never be able to govern affectively other than through coercion, force and violence.

government IS violence. Taxation IS coercion.

All you have to do to "govern" is just say no. Say no over and over again. The takers will die off, and all will be right

[Minister of Truth]

I think they are Spoiled Brats *whah whah -we want it all for ourselves*

Being correct is never being a spoiled brat.

[Cancel 2018.2]

government IS violence. Taxation IS coercion.

All you have to do to "govern" is just say no. Say no over and over again. The takers will die off, and all will be right

Actually, unless you intentionally defraud the federal government or state government, it is not a crime, in that, it is only a civil penalty.

That said, you are free to leave America and not pay taxes. You can renounce your citizenship at any time. No one is "coercing" you to live here and pay taxes so that we can live as a community under a government that we vote for. The government is not perfect, but if you honestly think a government, which is basically a group of people who run a society, is one of violence, leave. Oh wait, how will you leave, on road, paid by taxes?

Taxes, if you will, have always been apart of societies. Even if you have your small far right or far left societies, you can bet your ass that people will pay their toll or taxes, be it in work or money from work.

Find a society that works without taxes, I'll strongly considering joining. Just to prove you wrong.

[BRUTALITOPS]

Actually, unless you intentionally defraud the federal government or state government, it is not a crime, in that, it is only a civil penalty.

no one is talking about crimes.

That said, you are free to leave America and not pay taxes.

Actually I am not. This is a common myth. The USA is one of the few countries in the world that demand you pay taxes, even if you leave the country and become an expat, even if you renounce your citizenship. The USA OWNS the product of your labor and there isn't SHIT we can do about it.

[anatta]

Being correct is never being a spoiled brat.

there is no correct in not accomplishing a goal

[canceled.2021.2]

they are so obstinate they can't compromise, they can't even acknowledge another's position, it is either their way or the highway. Yesterday was the perfect example, and nothing was accomplished on an issue they all agree upon even though they control a dominate majority in the House

A democracy is based upon compromise, the Constitution is made up of compromises, and to assume a dogmatic inflexible postion accomplishes nothing, it is an infantile approach to serious matters.

It is understandable why Boehner quit and Ryan has to be asking himself today why he even bothered

You mean the way the democrat party is compromising on Gorsuch who they unanimously approved years ago but now want to filibuster?

Spare me

Thank God for the Freedom Caucus

Too much "compromise" is how we got 20 trillion in debt

[Mott the Hoople]

government IS violence. Taxation IS coercion.

All you have to do to "govern" is just say no. Say no over and over again. The takers will die off, and all will be right

There you go again. Scratch a libertarian and you get an anarchist.