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    If Rump is smart he will now cut out the Freedon Caucus and get a better, more liberal, healthcare bill passed with Democrat cooperation. If he could build a center coalition leaving out the extremes he would likely very easily get reelected.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    If Rump is smart he will now cut out the Freedon Caucus and get a better, more liberal, healthcare bill passed with Democrat cooperation. If he could build a center coalition leaving out the extremes he would likely very easily get reelected.
    Well for once you've actually said something sensible!!

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    Just repeal Obamacare. Unless the GOP wants their voters to stay home in 2018

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    If Rump is smart he will now cut out the Freedon Caucus and get a better, more liberal, healthcare bill passed with Democrat cooperation. If he could build a center coalition leaving out the extremes he would likely very easily get reelected.
    He would haver to have his head seen to and apply to rejoin the human race first, and I think he is FAR too conceited.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I Love America View Post
    Just repeal Obamacare. Unless the GOP wants their voters to stay home in 2018
    Then they'd lose the support of moderate Republican voters who happen to like their current health care.

    They're fucked either way!!!!
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    Damn good article in the Telegraph, really cuts to the heart of the matter.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...blican-crisis/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    If Rump is smart he will now cut out the Freedon Caucus and get a better, more liberal, healthcare bill passed with Democrat cooperation. If he could build a center coalition leaving out the extremes he would likely very easily get reelected.
    I'm not sure he really even cares about the issue of making health care affordable to working Americans to begin with.

    I think he's only interested in scoring victories and trophies to further adorn his wall of self admiration. Now that it's become a defeat, he's probably only interested in running away from it and trying his best to put it out of his mind and forget about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    If Rump is smart he will now cut out the Freedon Caucus and get a better, more liberal, healthcare bill passed with Democrat cooperation. If he could build a center coalition leaving out the extremes he would likely very easily get reelected.
    You are assuming that healthcare was the number one reason for that flawed bill.

    It wasn't. They have no interest in creating a health insurance system that works.
    Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milagro View Post
    Damn good article in the Telegraph, really cuts to the heart of the matter.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...blican-crisis/

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    Yep. It addresses a lot of what I've been saying...fairly accurately. This was about getting rid of taxes that would help further cuts later.

    To the last paragraph, tax cuts coupled with increased spending has been the actual plan of every Republican administration, their rhetoric notwithstanding.
    Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

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    it's not going to happen. Trump is learning DC politics-there are no friends- just apportioning blame.
    Obamacare is popular enough for now. It's got got design flaws though and the partisan blame game lands on the Dems

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    If Rump is smart he will now cut out the Freedon Caucus and get a better, more liberal, healthcare bill passed with Democrat cooperation. If he could build a center coalition leaving out the extremes he would likely very easily get reelected.
    Any democrat who works with Trump will face a stiff primary challenge in the midterms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    it's not going to happen. Trump is learning DC politics-there are no friends- just apportioning blame.
    Obamacare is popular enough for now. It's got got design flaws though and the partisan blame game lands on the Dems
    Wishful thinking on your part.

    Trump and the Republicans swore to the voters that they would repeal and replace.

    It is now glaringly obvious to everyone that those were just empty campaign promises designed to play upon and exploit for political gain, the anger and frustration of the American people at a system we all know is massively unfair to people of modest means.

    IOW, most people.

    Glaringly obvious as well, is the fact that Trump and the GOP knew damned well they wouldn't be able to repeal Obamacare, or at least, not replace it with something better. There is no perfect solution to the problem. Anything that gets created is going to cost somebody somewhere.

    The left says it's more fair (or less unfair) to have the bulk of that cost borne by those who can afford it the most because they HAVE the most and the cost will have a negligible effect on the quality of their lives. The right says unfair is unfair and nothing else matters. Then they double down by trying to hand out tax breaks for these very same wealthy people, the fairness to whom they are trying to protect, in order to make them even wealthier and even MORE able to afford to shoulder the bulk of the burden of a health care system which they will not be asked to shoulder anyway.

    Democrats' concern lies with human beings and increasing the quality of life.

    Republicans' concern lies with WEALTHY human beings and increasing their wealth so that THEY can be the ones who enjoy quality lives and good luck to everyone else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    Wishful thinking on your part.

    Trump and the Republicans swore to the voters that they would repeal and replace.

    It is now glaringly obvious to everyone that those were just empty campaign promises designed to play upon and exploit for political gain, the anger and frustration of the American people at a system we all know is massively unfair to people of modest means.

    IOW, most people.

    Glaringly obvious as well, is the fact that Trump and the GOP knew damned well they wouldn't be able to repeal Obamacare, or at least, not replace it with something better. There is no perfect solution to the problem. Anything that gets created is going to cost somebody somewhere.

    The left says it's more fair (or less unfair) to have the bulk of that cost borne by those who can afford it the most because they HAVE the most and the cost will have a negligible effect on the quality of their lives. The right says unfair is unfair and nothing else matters. Then they double down by trying to hand out tax breaks for these very same wealthy people, the fairness to whom they are trying to protect, in order to make them even wealthier and even MORE able to afford to shoulder the bulk of the burden of a health care system which they will not be asked to shoulder anyway.

    Democrats' concern lies with human beings and increasing the quality of life.

    Republicans' concern lies with WEALTHY human beings and increasing their wealth so that THEY can be the ones who enjoy quality lives and good luck to everyone else.
    try putting that into a political talking point..lol

    political talking points:
    Dems.." we wanted Republican help to fix,not repeal"
    Repubs " we got no help from the Dem's when we tried to fix Obamacare."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    Then they'd lose the support of moderate Republican voters who happen to like their current health care.

    They're fucked either way!!!!
    Well we can wait for B Hussein Yobabaymamacare to fully implode.

    Price can still dismantle much of it

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    Oh and Trump can choose not to enforce certain provisions like Yobabymama did

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