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    Quote Originally Posted by Althea View Post
    What went 'wrong', is that Republicans couldn't agree on how many people they could get away with screwing, as they gave a massive tax break to their donors.
    Sadly, nobody was interested in providing affordable health insurance. It was a gimmick aimed at doing away with the tax ramifications, which would have opened to door for an easier time ramming their Draconian view of healthcare down our throats via budget reconciliation.

    Make no mistake...this was huge. The problem is, we're no better off today than we were yesterday, and the future will still be bleak as Republicans continue to work toward taking away our health insurance options.

    But...this won't affect future pet Republican projects. They all agree on cutting taxes, no matter the ramifications.

    What we will see, is a refusal to fund the wall, and infrastructure once they cut revenue in half.

    But infrastructure isn't a pet Republican issue anyway.
    I certainly hope they refuse to fund the YUGE edifice to him.. HE SAID MEXICO WOULD PAY FOR IT, HE DIDN'T SAY AMERICAN TAXPAYERS WOULD BE PAYING FOR THIS TRIBUTE TO HIS EGO.........
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thing1 View Post
    Trump couldn't get the votes when his party controls everything.

    He failed.
    Reminds me of President Obama's 2012 budget when it came up for a vote in the Senate,
    the vote on the president's plan failed 0-97.....not even one Democrat supported it....
    Trumps failed healthcare plan didn't even that far.......lmao.....it wasn't very good anyway...
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    Quote Originally Posted by NOVA View Post
    Reminds me of President Obama's 2012 budget when it came up for a vote in the Senate,
    the vote on the president's plan failed 0-97.....not even one Democrat supported it....
    Trumps failed healthcare plan didn't even that far.......lmao.....it wasn't very good anyway...
    Wasn't very good?

    But the whole campaign he said he had something that was way better? It would cover EVERYONE, cost less, provide better healthcare, give everyone more choice and be ready to go on day 1. And it would be "easy" to pass.

    Don't even tell me...Trump was making all of that up?

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    trump did not fail. He was playing the longer game of undermining ryan to get him pushed aside.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom is a bogman View Post
    trump did not fail. He was playing the longer game of undermining ryan to get him pushed aside.
    I'm starting to think you really believe that.

    He's a buffoon, Grind. He's not the mastermind you keep portraying.

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    I do believe it. It is incredibly obvious. Somestimes you have to take some short term hits for accomplishing the longer goal. It's obvious trump wasn't gung ho on this, and obvious his supporters didn't like it either. And the same time this is happening, breitbart releases the ryan tape about never defending trump/deserting trump. If you are trump and have wanted to take our Paul Ryan or marginalize him, this is the best way to do it. Give him a sense of false confidence, let him put his name and energy into this bill, and when it fails... well trump isn't going anywhere.. but Ryan might. There are already talks about him being replaced with possibly gowdy or someone else.

    Then Trump can come in and make a new deal with the freedom caucus or whatever else. Right now, getting Ryan out of the way is priority number 1. You have to take out the GOPe as much as possible. Once you clean house, then you can get down to business.


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    Trump doesn't want to lose a game of tiddlywinks - much less a high-profile legislative battle that he predicted would be easy for months.

    You don't understand psychology if you can't see that about his ego.

    This wasn't part of a long-term strategy. Trump thought he would win, and he didn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    And your diagnosis is partisan-induced myopia lol.

    In the long view [the only view that matters] the no-vote on the bill may be a net plus for healthcare. Or it could go the other way.

    You have no idea which it will be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Damocles View Post
    People don't seem to remember, Obama took office in 2009 with health care reform at the top of his agenda... It took until March of 2010 before they could pass it after much wrangling and deal making.

    This idea that the whole idea of this is now "dead" is total rubbish. Several times in that year I remember Democrats saying that the bill was "dead", but it kept going. This idea that this is "doomed" because they couldn't get it done in three months is total hogwash.

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    Agreed. Trump may have made a mistake and, if he still chooses to make repeal/reform a priority, then he can start working with stakeholders outside of government to gain information on how that reform or new legislation should take shape, as well as, develop a broader level of support.

    Then again he may drop it for greener pastures with little harm done to his reputation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom is a bogman View Post
    trump did not fail. He was playing the longer game of undermining ryan to get him pushed aside.
    LOL Sure he did Grind. Sure he did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom is a bogman View Post
    trump did not fail. He was playing the longer game of undermining ryan to get him pushed aside.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thing1 View Post
    Trump doesn't want to lose a game of tiddlywinks - much less a high-profile legislative battle that he predicted would be easy for months.

    You don't understand psychology if you can't see that about his ego.

    This wasn't part of a long-term strategy. Trump thought he would win, and he didn't.
    read my bio in my sig. I am a genius on this stuff, always way ahead of the likes of you. High profile? You continually underestimate the short attention span of the average american.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Thing1 View Post
    Wasn't very good?

    But the whole campaign he said he had something that was way better? It would cover EVERYONE, cost less, provide better healthcare, give everyone more choice and be ready to go on day 1. And it would be "easy" to pass.

    Don't even tell me...Trump was making all of that up?
    Quite honestly, that sounds like most politicians running for office. He could also have very well believed it, and then reality sank in that the government is not a corporation, nor run like one.

    And he burned so many bridges running for office, did he really think all would simply be forgotten and forgiven once he won.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom is a bogman View Post
    trump did not fail. He was playing the longer game of undermining ryan to get him pushed aside.
    Why do you worship Trump so much?

    There is no long game here, he failed. He would never do a business deal like this.

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