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    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor View Post
    The best idea ever for this mess. Seriously.
    Then you don't understand Moosecare any more than you understand ACA.
    Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Althea View Post
    Then you don't understand Moosecare any more than you understand ACA.
    Neither is hard to understand. ACA is driving ins. companies out of the marketplace and it unfairly penalizes the healthiest while rewarding those that practice personal irresponsibility.
    Moosecare isn't even complicated. It's pretty easy to understand.
    Sailor has exhibited a good understanding of Moosecare in the past. You've shown no inclination one way or the other. Some stupid comment about Palin.
    You think it's some plan to care for the health of moose?

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    Well Trump has said if he doesn't get the votes to move repeal out of the house then he's dropping it and moving on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    Well Trump has said if he doesn't get the votes to move repeal out of the house then he's dropping it and moving on.
    Good idea.
    As immature as he is, he's pretty smart in other ways. That's a good move because it's a hot potato. Let ACA die on the vine or succeed on it's own.
    Plus the Ryan plan was a non plan. Just a formality to repeal and replace.

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    Rump says we get to keep Obamacare if the Congress does not repeal it tomorrow.

    GREAT, I am happy with that... AND Rump promise #1 down the drain. Republicans have been promising for 7 years to repeal Obamacare, now they have The House, The Senate, AND the White House and they cant seem to do it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by aloysious View Post
    Good idea.
    As immature as he is, he's pretty smart in other ways. That's a good move because it's a hot potato. Let ACA die on the vine or succeed on it's own.
    Plus the Ryan plan was a non plan. Just a formality to repeal and replace.
    He's a quitter

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    If they dont let Rump win tomorrow, hes taking his ball and going home!
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    Will Rump some how eke out a win on a watered down Obamacare Bill, or will he go down in flames....

    Either way, I am happy. No true repeal will happen.
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    Jeebus. Same bullcrap was said about Obamacare, how quickly the lefties forget.
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    Quote Originally Posted by domer76 View Post
    He's a quitter
    I certainly don't care one way or the other.
    Would you want him to persist? I'd think not. As a typical unthinking partisan hack you get that piece of shit ACA and win.
    If the Ryan plan were to miraculously get thru, we get another piece of shit plan.
    Moosecare would work but no pols are intelligent enough to come up with something that stellar. Even if one was, if it was a dim the repubs would shoot it down and if it was a repub the dims would shoot it down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damocles View Post
    Jeebus. Same bullcrap was said about Obamacare, how quickly the lefties forget.
    What bullcrap is that? Obamacare passed, remember?

    Was Obamacare Obama's first attempt at major legislation, no!
    I seem to remember some economic rescue bills being passed first.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    SO Rump, the master deal maker has suffered a MAJOR defeat, at least as of today.

    The First Hurdle to replace Obamacare has gone down in FLAMES. TODAY's vote CANCELLED.

    Rump is unable to get a deal together, RyanCare on ICE!



    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
    Wasn't Obama's 'first major political defeat' the failure to pass Cap and Tax carbon regulations? But didn't he go onto strangle the energy sector with with regulations anyway?

    And didn't Obama go on to be the greatest president the world has ever known lol?
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    House conservatives and the freedom caucus should call his bluff in my opinion. When the president says things like what he's saying it makes you wonder if he wants it to fail so Obamacare stays. During the campaign he campaigned on a version of universal healthcare so letting this fail so he can move on would satisfy his own personal favoring of universal healthcare and then he can also blame constitutionalists for Obamacare staying around and make himself look clean. In his mind I think he wins either way but the constitution loses. In my opinion Trump needs to bring in Mike Lee, Rand Paul, and the house freedom caucus leaders and let them oversee the repeal/replace plan after this vote fails today. Leave out his team, leave out Paul Ryan, and deliver on the mandate to repeal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coolbreeze View Post
    Don't be the chicken locked in the hen house when the fox comes home.
    Trump has made billions being smarter than the people he is dealing with, not dumber.

    So he muddles around for a month or two trying to drum up support for his healthcare, exposing the Dems as obstructionist claiming he is trying to fix the health care debacle known as Obamacare.
    He eventually moves on to other things, like the budget, his wall, ISIS, jobs.
    Obamacare continues its death spiral, because it is in one, healthcare providers are pulling out of the state exchanges like villagers running from the plague in case no one is paying attention.
    Obamcare is going to collapse under its own weight. Deductibles on even the bronze plan are going to be over 5k by years end. And the taxes to keep it going have not even kicked in yet. Obama planned those for after he was gone.

    So Trump will come back around next year, I told you so, tried to save it last year but no cooperation. He gets his plan through and the Dems go down like rats on a sinking ship in the
    2018 mid terms.
    Trump is always two moves ahead of whatever he is doing and don't ever forget that.
    If you have not read "Art of The Deal", and you really care about whats going on, and I'll guess most of you don't.
    But if you do give it a read
    Bawahahaha, comedy gold! GOP can't let Obamacare go down in flames because of the midterm elections. Trump is still an idiot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norah View Post
    House conservatives and the freedom caucus should call his bluff in my opinion. When the president says things like what he's saying it makes you wonder if he wants it to fail so Obamacare stays. During the campaign he campaigned on a version of universal healthcare so letting this fail so he can move on would satisfy his own personal favoring of universal healthcare and then he can also blame constitutionalists for Obamacare staying around and make himself look clean. In his mind I think he wins either way but the constitution loses. In my opinion Trump needs to bring in Mike Lee, Rand Paul, and the house freedom caucus leaders and let them oversee the repeal/replace plan after this vote fails today. Leave out his team, leave out Paul Ryan, and deliver on the mandate to repeal.
    Nice bass lol!

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