First Attempt a MAJOR legislative DEFEAT? Obamacare not repealed!

[Phantasmal]

Good idea.
As immature as he is, he's pretty smart in other ways. That's a good move because it's a hot potato. Let ACA die on the vine or succeed on it's own.
Plus the Ryan plan was a non plan. Just a formality to repeal and replace.

They are in a tough spot regardless, he promised better cheaper healthcare, he's supporters and others haven't forgotten that...2018 is coming fast!

[domer76]

I certainly don't care one way or the other.
Would you want him to persist? I'd think not. As a typical unthinking partisan hack you get that piece of shit ACA and win.
If the Ryan plan were to miraculously get thru, we get another piece of shit plan.
Moosecare would work but no pols are intelligent enough to come up with something that stellar. Even if one was, if it was a dim the repubs would shoot it down and if it was a repub the dims would shoot it down.

I don't get any ACA. Nor will I have any new plan that comes through. I have my own insurance and have had it my entire working career. It's just enjoyable watching the idiot Republicans torment so. Seven years to come up with their own plan and they have to negotiate at the last second. Only to have it fail in the Senate.

[cancel2 2022]

nobody is saying that..in fact they all are saying Trump is going in and doing his best..
It's the RW Freedom caucus that hate subsidized health care

I bet Norah loves them!!

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[Darth Omar]

If they dont let Rump win tomorrow, hes taking his ball and going home!

You've never left the salesman standing on the car lot when you didn't get the 'deal' you wanted lol?

I bet they love to see you coming.

[Althea]

Neither is hard to understand. ACA is driving ins. companies out of the marketplace and it unfairly penalizes the healthiest while rewarding those that practice personal irresponsibility.
Moosecare isn't even complicated. It's pretty easy to understand.
Sailor has exhibited a good understanding of Moosecare in the past. You've shown no inclination one way or the other. Some stupid comment about Palin.
You think it's some plan to care for the health of moose?

Not sure who you're talking about, but I laid out the obvious flaws in your plan in your other thread.

You still have the govt. coming to the rescue when those who opted to use a HSA only, run out of money. You do have everyone contributing 'something', but I don't know how you determine what % of income will be contributed?

Now, the Anti American Healthcare Act does nothing to address the real issues. In fact, it does nothing but replace ACA with a plan that does more harm than good.

But Republicans are trying to reverse engineer a plan. They start with a massive tax cut to the wealthy, and try to craft a plan around all of the things that they're doing away with.

They still have a huge slush fund for the states. So why not just replace all the money they took from the risk corridors, and tweak the ACA as necessary?

Because they want that 3.8% cap gains Medicare tax to go away. Billionaires feel they shouldn't contribute to Medicare.

[Althea]

Good idea.
As immature as he is, he's pretty smart in other ways. That's a good move because it's a hot potato. Let ACA die on the vine or succeed on it's own.
Plus the Ryan plan was a non plan. Just a formality to repeal and replace.

I agree, with accent on repeal, and no thought about replace

[Althea]

Rump says we get to keep Obamacare if the Congress does not repeal it tomorrow.

GREAT, I am happy with that... AND Rump promise #1 down the drain. Republicans have been promising for 7 years to repeal Obamacare, now they have The House, The Senate, AND the White House and they cant seem to do it!

He's bluffing, in the same way he does in business. Except that in business, he chooses to stiff contractors in the end. He can't do that here. His bluff is built on the idea that the voters will make the 'No' votes pay in two years.

In an ironic twist, the Koch Bros. are guaranteeing support for anyone who votes no, and challenging anyone who votes yes.

[Althea]

They are in a tough spot regardless, he promised better cheaper healthcare, he's supporters and others haven't forgotten that...2018 is coming fast!

"Nobody knew how tricky this is"

[Mott the Hoople]

Trump has, as POTUS, awesome powers he can bring to bear on recalcitrant members of the far right to sway them. From the bully pulpit to patronage, to campaign finance, etc.

Trumps real problem on this issue is he has not done the groundwork with Hospitals, Insurance Companies, Physicians and professional associations that will be needed to affect long term changes.

[Norah]

I bet Norah loves them!!

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I respect them yes. They are the only ones standing up for the constitution and for conservative principles.

[cancel2 2022]

I respect them yes. They are the only ones standing up for the constitution and for conservative principles.

How did Johnson get Medicare passed, why didn't your precious constitution stop that?

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[Phantasmal]

I respect them yes. They are the only ones standing up for the constitution and for conservative principles.

It's nonsense, sorry, most stand up for their interpretation of Constitution. What is constitutional has been in debate a long time. There are those that say you and I should not vote. It was once Constitutional.

[Norah]

How did Nixon get Medicare passed, why didn't your precious constitution stop that?

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I wasn't alive when Nixon was president so I don't know what went into passing Medicare.

[Norah]

It's nonsense, sorry, most stand up for their interpretation of Constitution. What is constitutional has been in debate a long time. There are those that say you and I should not vote. It was once Constitutional.

I agree that it's their interpretation

[Mott the Hoople]

I respect them yes. They are the only ones standing up for the constitution and for conservative principles.

I love how people who never studied law believe they know more about the Constitution than people who have actually studied constitutional law.