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    It's a bad situation. The Russiaphobes and Democrats have made it very difficult to improve relations-
    or even reduce tensions.
    Tillerson is going to Moscow in a week or 2..maybe he can at least get some talking started that Obama refused to do.

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    Yea, it's the russki phobes and the dems.... Not the Russian interference and the campaign and possible admin collaboraters
    "There is no question former President Trump bears moral responsibility. His supporters stormed the Capitol because of the unhinged falsehoods he shouted into the world’s largest megaphone," McConnell wrote. "His behavior during and after the chaos was also unconscionable, from attacking Vice President Mike Pence during the riot to praising the criminals after it ended."



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    Russian "interference"? is it now.. I love these generalized terms being tossed around.

    All we know for sure is ( and i'm still not 100% convinced) is that supposedly Russian State actors used a cutout to leak to wiki. that's hacking.

    The IC does these leaps of motivation that Putin did it to advantage Trump - again this is unfounded-
    but again say it's true.

    Does this mean we MUST BE LOCKED INTO more Cold War escalation? why?
    How does escalation/expanding NATO help curb Putin's hacking?
    It doesn't.

    It could-if we made some deals about it,but that ain't gonna happen because of the Russiaphobes
    and the gined up Dems who align with Mccain

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    Lined up w/ McCain?? How about lined up w/ Ike, JFK, LBJ, & every FUCKIN PRESIDENT SINCE??

    You create your own rumfsky world, but don't expect the rest of us to live nor play in it.......
    "There is no question former President Trump bears moral responsibility. His supporters stormed the Capitol because of the unhinged falsehoods he shouted into the world’s largest megaphone," McConnell wrote. "His behavior during and after the chaos was also unconscionable, from attacking Vice President Mike Pence during the riot to praising the criminals after it ended."



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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    Lined up w/ McCain?? How about lined up w/ Ike, JFK, LBJ, & every FUCKIN PRESIDENT SINCE??

    You create your own rumfsky world, but don't expect the rest of us to live nor play in it.......
    we have had Iraq and Libya, and Afghanistan after the Cold War..
    But this is Cold War 2.0 - and McCain is a hotheaded meddler.

    You might not see the significance of the Dems lining up with a Russiaphobe like McCain,because you're not a Democrat.. Here is our pal. Nuland and McCain meddling in Independence Sq,Ukraine.
    Do you recall "fuck the EU " by Nuland?


    Victoria Nuland, U.S. Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs,
    and John McCain publicly undercutting the elected Ukrainian government in Independence Square, Kiev, Ukraine

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    Russian "interference"? is it now.. I love these generalized terms being tossed around.

    All we know for sure is ( and i'm still not 100% convinced) is that supposedly Russian State actors used a cutout to leak to wiki. that's hacking.

    The IC does these leaps of motivation that Putin did it to advantage Trump - again this is unfounded-
    but again say it's true.

    Does this mean we MUST BE LOCKED INTO more Cold War escalation? why?
    How does escalation/expanding NATO help curb Putin's hacking?
    It doesn't.

    It could-if we made some deals about it,but that ain't gonna happen because of the Russiaphobes
    and the gined up Dems who align with Mccain
    I think the election stuff is irrelevant. Putin has been placing Russia on a pathway to renewed Cold War with us since at least 2002. I find it surprising that anyone has not been noticing that fact for at least a few years.

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    Oh, they noticed, up till rumpsky got elected then full scale revision began as the dirty's Russian connections bubbled up..
    "There is no question former President Trump bears moral responsibility. His supporters stormed the Capitol because of the unhinged falsehoods he shouted into the world’s largest megaphone," McConnell wrote. "His behavior during and after the chaos was also unconscionable, from attacking Vice President Mike Pence during the riot to praising the criminals after it ended."



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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    Yea, it's the russki phobes and the dems.... Not the Russian interference and the campaign and possible admin collaboraters
    You do love your conspiracy theories, don't you Bill!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chlorate View Post
    I think the election stuff is irrelevant. Putin has been placing Russia on a pathway to renewed Cold War with us since at least 2002. I find it surprising that anyone has not been noticing that fact for at least a few years.
    Maybe it wasn't politically expedient for some people to notice it lol.

    What have we to fear from the Russians that we'd risk a nuclear war with them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chlorate View Post
    I think the election stuff is irrelevant. Putin has been placing Russia on a pathway to renewed Cold War with us since at least 2002. I find it surprising that anyone has not been noticing that fact for at least a few years.
    the election stuff IS irrelevant.
    But you can't pick an arbitrary date-you have to go back to the true 'reset' -1989 for Cold War 2.0
    Just like you have to go back to 1945 for the original Cold War.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    Maybe it wasn't politically expedient for some people to notice it lol.
    What have we to fear from the Russians that we'd risk a nuclear war with them?
    it's heating up. Russia and NATO both plan full scale war game this year.
    And the weapons systems are the finest on both sides for their choreographed dances of death.

    Russia says US troops arriving in Poland pose threat to its security
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ar-under-trump
    The Kremlin has hit out at the biggest deployment of US troops in Europe since the end of the cold war, branding the arrival of troops and tanks in Poland as a threat to Russia’s national security.

    The deployment, intended to counter what Nato portrays as Russian aggression in eastern Europe, will see US troops permanently stationed along Russia’s western border for the first time.


    Russia may pose threat to Poland with war games in Belarus:
    http://www.thenews.pl/1/10/Artykul/2...Belarus-expert

    He also said that Russian President Vladimir Putin may have reasons for setting his 2017 war games in Belarus other than posing a direct or indirect threat to Poland.

    One may be to force Ukraine’s army to mobilize on a third front, along its border with Belarus, weakening its military presence along its eastern and southern borders. This would also put further pressure on Ukraine’s military budget and economy and compromise the political situation.

    Another may be to put a halt to work on the Intermarium, a planned partnership of countries between the Baltic, Black and Adriatic Seas.

    Regardless of the motive, Arestovich said the term “occupation” would not be used in reference to permanently stationing in Belarus at least some of the troops involved in Zapad 2017, because the country is part of a Union State with Russia.

    He said the troops would remain to counter NATO’s increasing military presence along its eastern flank, as was decided at the alliance’s Warsaw summit in 2016.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milagro View Post
    You do love your conspiracy theories, don't you Bill!

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    Shows how much you "don't know me"..........
    "There is no question former President Trump bears moral responsibility. His supporters stormed the Capitol because of the unhinged falsehoods he shouted into the world’s largest megaphone," McConnell wrote. "His behavior during and after the chaos was also unconscionable, from attacking Vice President Mike Pence during the riot to praising the criminals after it ended."



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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    Maybe it wasn't politically expedient for some people to notice it lol.
    What have we to fear from the Russians that we'd risk a nuclear war with them?
    ask the Russiaphobes..
    Russia is not our friend ( as the phobes always point out) but it doesn't have to be our great Satan either.

    The problem is Americans go nutz when talking about the Red Menace still.
    We saw a blueprint for this back in Cold War 1.0. Trump wanted to go that way.
    Talk leads to de-escalation.

    The Dems use Russia for their own rationalizations of why Clinton lost,
    and the Deep State is institutionally programed to view Russia as a mortal enemy.

    Citizens don't really understand NATO expansion -they just know "the Ukraine"

    So the dances of death keeps getting more fuel and more frenzied

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    We saw a blueprint for this back in Cold War 1.0. Trump wanted to go that way.
    Talk leads to de-escalation.
    Again~THE PROBLEM ISN'T NOT WANTING BETTER RELATIONS W/ PUTIN AKA RUSSIA, THE PROBLEM IS THEY HACKED/INTERFERED IN OUR ELECTIONS.. Some of us have issues w/ that.. Some Americans don't care about that & are more than willing to excuse it away because their dear leader desires it.......
    "There is no question former President Trump bears moral responsibility. His supporters stormed the Capitol because of the unhinged falsehoods he shouted into the world’s largest megaphone," McConnell wrote. "His behavior during and after the chaos was also unconscionable, from attacking Vice President Mike Pence during the riot to praising the criminals after it ended."



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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    Again~THE PROBLEM ISN'T NOT WANTING BETTER RELATIONS W/ PUTIN AKA RUSSIA, THE PROBLEM IS THEY HACKED/INTERFERED IN OUR ELECTIONS.. Some of us have issues w/ that.. Some Americans don't care about that & are more than willing to excuse it away because their dear leader desires it.......
    no. that is nothing new, although the Dem's only use that to excuse their miserable candidate's failure.
    Cold War 2.0 started with NATO expansion..there is no disputing this.

    The Dem's are hyping Wikileaks ( which was not "hacking") with no regards to long term improvements
    The IC is so freaking politicized,and institutionally Russiaphobic it latches on for the ride.

    even with "interference" there could be room for TALKS.. did you see Marie Pen in Moscow?
    She extracted a promise from Putin not to interfere.

    Obama froze talks with Putin -even low level talks and where did that get us?
    Russian troops have been reported in eastern Libya - not SpecOps -actual troops.
    And Egypt is allowing them in to keep out Libya terrorists ( ISIS).
    Egypt has military and commercial ties with Moscow now

    But you (Dems) go ahead and "cling" to the notion Putin has to be isolated/escalated
    That's working out so well for the USA!

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