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    I am thankful every day that Reagan is dead, and that I lived to see it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by K I L L View Post
    liberals hated reagan at the time.
    Yes they did, far more so than Trump. Many, including myself, really believed that he'd cause WW3. Indeed they came pretty damn close in 1983 with Able Archer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by christiefan915 View Post
    That's your opinion. He was an actor playing the greatest role of his life. He was mentally going downhill quickly by his second term. He was a traitor who hid behind some disingenuous phrasing to absolve himself of Iran-Contra, and suckers bought into it hook, line and sinker. I'm not surprised that many repubs pick style over substance.
    Whilst all that is true, he was instrumental in ending the Cold War.

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    Quote Originally Posted by K I L L View Post
    which again begs the question, why do liberals hate him so much? he's literally the most liberal republican even in office and that's not enough for them.
    Because many are just incredibly emotion driven and issue led.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twerk Master Miley View Post
    I am thankful every day that Reagan is dead, and that I lived to see it.
    I don't wake up every day being thankful that's he's dead, but I am thankful. I've got too many other things on my mind. For fuck's sake, he'd be 106 today. I hope I don't live that long.

    I'm thankful the hildebeest is politically dead and it was someone as distasteful as Trump to drive the stake through its heart. Couldn't have worked out better for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    Bullshit. I hate when people mythologize Dutch.

    Reagan had some very good qualities. He was an extremely disciplined communicator, stayed on message, was very optimistic, was relatively principled, for a politician, was willing to admit he made mistakes and could be persuaded to change his mind and could compromise to get things done and was very likeable.

    He also had some pretty major flaws. He was ideological, made some of the most asinine appointments to major positions, was a serious intellectual lightweight, was frustratingly ignorant and careless about the law, which got him into major trouble multiple times, supported lala land economic policies, delegated excessively, which led to major issues with corruption in his administration the likes that had not been seen since Harding, could be tone deaf to the point of abject immorality as he was on the AIDS epidemic and it became clear to the public early on in his second term that he had issues with senile dementia.

    So spare me the a Holy Saint Ronny crock of shit. On the whole he was a good and very popular President and I don't regret voting for him but spare me the mythical horse shit about him. It makes me want to puke.
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    Quote Originally Posted by christiefan915 View Post
    That's your opinion. He was an actor playing the greatest role of his life. He was mentally going downhill quickly by his second term. He was a traitor who hid behind some disingenuous phrasing to absolve himself of Iran-Contra, and suckers bought into it hook, line and sinker. I'm not surprised that many repubs pick style over substance.
    Iran-Contra was good policy, and got the USA what it needed at the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pocahontas View Post
    Iran-Contra was good policy, and got the USA what it needed at the time.
    Was it good policy for the CIA to import
    cocaine into the US and start the crack epidemic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aloysious View Post
    The bold is what the OP was about. Apparently you agree with me.
    I'll repeat: I wasn't talking about him being the best, greatest or whatnot. He represented the office better than anyone I can think of. So far no one on this thread has offered an alternative.
    I don't think he represented the office better than anyone. I think, with the exception of W, all the US Presidents since Nixon have represented the office well and with the gravitas, dignity and respect the office warrants. W was a failure for his colossal failure of leadership following the 911 attacks for which no modern President since Nixon is even Remotely comparable too. The only significant difference with Reagan was his popularity which means exactly doodly squat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Twerk Master Miley View Post
    I am thankful every day that Reagan is dead, and that I lived to see it.
    The problem with Reagan was he was dead about a dozen years before he actually died.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pocahontas View Post
    Throwing federal money at AIDS is/was a huge waste of money.
    What? That's fucking crazy talk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pocahontas View Post
    Iran-Contra was good policy, and got the USA what it needed at the time.
    what? Have you been beating your self in the head with a hammer? Iran-contra was not only a gross violation of standing law and a violation of constitutional separation of powers that damned near got Reagan impeached. He sold arms, in violation of US law to a hostile State sponsor of terrorism and used those funds to finance right wing murder squads in Central America. How was this in any way shape or form good policy? If Reagan hadn't of proven a witless dupe in the whole sordid affair and had been a proactive conspirator he would have been impeached. No if ands or buts. It was one of the three biggest fuck ups by a sitting US president in my adult life time. Good policy? Where do you come up with this shit? Do you even have any idea the kind of repugnant killers the Contras were?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    what? Have you been beating your self in the head with a hammer? Iran-contra was not only a gross violation of standing law and a violation of constitutional separation of powers that damned near got Reagan impeached. He sold arms, in violation of US law to a hostile State sponsor of terrorism and used those funds to finance right wing murder squads in Central America. How was this in any way shape or form good policy? If Reagan hadn't of proven a witless dupe in the whole sordid affair and had been a proactive conspirator he would have been impeached. No if ands or buts. It was one of the three biggest fuck ups by a sitting US president in my adult life time. Good policy? Where do you come up with this shit? Do you even have any idea the kind of repugnant killers the Contras were?
    The Sandinistas were no angels either, to be honest. Which is why Ortega was voted out in 1990.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milagro View Post
    The Sandinistas were no angels either, to be honest. Which is why Ortega was voted out in 1990.

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    No kidding but the Contras were simply paramilitary goon squad killers who ruthlessly enforced the will of the United Fruit Company among the poor peasant serfs they virtually owned through terror, rape and murder. Supporting low life's of that magnitude because they weren't communist was insane.
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