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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    lol.....mentions it in exactly the opposite way that lying liberals claim it was mentioned?.......you do like looking like an idiot don't you........
    I have no idea what you are talking about. As usual, yours is a just a vague shitpost.

    Yurt did not claim that it "mentions [religion] in exactly the opposite way that lying liberals claim it was mentioned." His claim was, "The first EO did not mention religion."

    Yurt made a claim that is clearly wrong. The EO does mention religion. It's an easily verified and undeniable fact. If you want to move the goal posts, again, then ok, but, there is no doubt that it does mention religion and that you are the only one left looking like an idiot.
    Leviticus 19:33 And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not do him wrong. 34 The stranger that sojourneth with you shall be unto you as the homeborn among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tsuke View Post
    it does not matter if he had a legit concern as the intent comes from the statements in the campaign. Even if Iran were to declare death to america it would still not cancel out the fact that it can be challenged by the logic of the 9th.
    In the absence of a legitimate concern the only reasonable basis for a conclusion on his intent are campaign statements and claims made by Giuliani and Trump after the campaign.

    The government did not even bother to offer any reason for legitimate concern. They merely argued that the President is not to be challenged. If that's their legal strategy going forward then they are going to lose.
    Leviticus 19:33 And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not do him wrong. 34 The stranger that sojourneth with you shall be unto you as the homeborn among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dick from the Internet View Post
    I have no idea what you are talking about.
    having no ideas is the story of your life.....the issue liberals put forward is that the law discriminates against Muslims, not that the law protects EVERY religion from prosecution based on anti-religion.......your self-installed goal post is whether the letters r,e,l,i,g,i,o,n are found in the text in a recognizable juxtaposition......

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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    having no ideas is the story of your life.....the issue liberals put forward is that the law discriminates against Muslims, not that the law protects EVERY religion from prosecution based on anti-religion.......your self-installed goal post is whether the letters r,e,l,i,g,i,o,n are found in the text in a recognizable juxtaposition......
    Sorry loser, I did not install the goalposts. Yurt did and then he clearly missed his pat/fg by a wide margin. You don't get to change the terms, loser, but if you want to make a separate and intelligible point then go punch who ever deprived you of an education and left you unable to do so.

    BTW, it does not protect every religion from persecution based on anti-religion.

    .... provided that the religion of the individual is a minority religion in the individual's country of nationality.
    Leviticus 19:33 And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not do him wrong. 34 The stranger that sojourneth with you shall be unto you as the homeborn among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    The White House announced today that they will no longer defend the travel ban but will be issuing a new one next week.
    They did the math... and did not want the embarrassment of a loss at the Supreme Court.

    Some on this very website thought it was an EASY case for Rump.
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    LOCK HIM UP!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moopple View Post
    But it's intent was about religion so try again Yaya.
    I never said it wasn't, Moopple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Queen Snowflake View Post
    No, not in so many words, but as you know judges in these matters look at intent, Trumps words during the campaign showed the intent.
    Well, I was responding to Bukkkles lie that it did mention religion. Intent would matter little in this case, that goes to ambiguity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tsuke View Post
    so the eo was perfectly fine in form and any eo he makes will still face the same hurdle. The challenge lies in the ability of judges to get intent outside of the four corners of the law hence it should go to the SC.
    I think you mean document not law.

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    It didn't mention religion by name, the claim Bukkkle made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yaya View Post
    It didn't mention religion by name, the claim Bukkkle made.

    You are still fucking that up. It mentioned religion by name, i.e., it used the word religion. You mean that it did not mention a specific religion.

    I don't see how that changes anything. The state can't prefer religion over non religion and the exception for persecuted religious minorities does seem to do that.
    Leviticus 19:33 And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not do him wrong. 34 The stranger that sojourneth with you shall be unto you as the homeborn among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZappasGuitar View Post
    Yep!

    Trump acknowledges his original attempt at banning immigration was completely unconstitutional.
    Right....that's why he's drafting another one, that will do exactly the same thing as the original....pause all immigration from certain nations that produce ISLAMIC terrorists. The intent of the EO has always been the same.....stop allowing enemies of the state to enter the US through a socialist constructed...open borders immigration policy....its never been about stopping anyone from entering the US through legal immigration.

    I especially enjoy watching the president call a press conference with the intent of talking directly to the people who elected him while pointing out to the nation just how dishonest and bigoted the media is in presenting the news. Hell he even 'predicted' the headlines for the next news cycle for CNN, The president said, "Tomorrows headlines will read, Trump rants and raves..." What was the lead in on CNN's Jack Trapper program, that same evening, not waiting until tomorrow? TRUMP UNHINGED.

    There is a name for such a practice by the news...its nothing new in US politics, its YELLOW JOURNALISM...the practice of pretending to report the news when in reality the those responsible for reporting the news are making themselves the news. Hell, last night was also special if you don't believe CNN practices yellow journalism. The management at CNN had Anderson (LGBT..Q) interviewing fellow talking head co-host, Fareed Azkaria....crying and whining about the presidents continued attacks.
    They were attempting to ask the question, "What do you know and when did you know it..." pretending to be valid journalists resembling the water gate investigation. The first thing the president pointed out was the fact that nothing Fynn did was unconstitutional, illegal or improper...he was doing the job he was appointed and commissioned to do. Immediately...once that was pointed out to the nation....you could see the emotion from the press flatline like a pancake.

    Funny as hell...its an ATTACK when the president calls you out for propagating biased and fake news, but its reporting when the media engages in bigotry and fake news.

    You have to respect someone that tells it like is....calls them liars to their face and then predicts to the nation what their fake reaction will be. Priceless. He leaves them crying their Constitutional right to lie is being infringed.

    Honestly I hope this type of coverage goes on for the next 4 years....while the media fiddles Rome along with everything Obama dictated will go up in flames. The same day...the press was whining and crying....the president signed thousands of lost mining jobs back into production by eliminating Job Killing over
    regulations.....placed by the BOH EPA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yaya View Post
    Well, I was responding to Bukkkles lie that it did mention religion. Intent would matter little in this case, that goes to ambiguity.
    Nope, I mean intent. Trump had stated several times that he would ban Muslims. The court reviewed those statements in making their determination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dick from the Internet View Post
    I have no idea what a goal post is or what we are talking about. Is this the pro-football appreciation board.
    yes....keep up the good work....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Queen Snowflake View Post
    Nope, I mean intent. Trump had stated several times that he would ban Muslims. The court reviewed those statements in making their determination.
    if I think you're a bitch and intend to call you a bitch but say "Rune is wrong", have I called you a bitch?.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    yes....keep up the good work....

    This is your only method of response. That is, you change what the other person said and then argue against your strawman. Sorry, again, but yurt's claim was clearly false. No amount of goalpost shifting is going to change that, loser.


    I know football very well. You just keep running reverses (because you think it is cute) and getting stuffed. One of these days your trick play will work, but this is not the day.
    Leviticus 19:33 And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not do him wrong. 34 The stranger that sojourneth with you shall be unto you as the homeborn among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.

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