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    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    Who ever claimed science was logical? It's quite often counterintuitive. Take Skidmark for example. Logic dictates he should have been dead a long time ago...but here he is.
    Now you're compounding your lack of logic. Skid isn't dead because he's locked in his mother's basement.

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    a joke
    profoundly
    scientific method.
    a higher power
    verify faith
    natural causation
    supernatural causation
    [the number] four proved God
    beauty

    We are [non-Material] spirits in a Material World.
    Material matter is made of the inert separated elements [earth, water, fire, air, ether etc].
    Material matter is changing into different forms, being created, maintained and dissolved.
    Spirit-soul [alma, anima] provides a conscious-life force to animate a species of life.
    Humans are Spirit-souls in a Material World.
    Spirit-soul has no material qualities. Spirit-soul is made of three in-separable qualities:
    Spirit-soul is made of Eternality (w/o time) + Cognizance + Blissfullness [aka, Spirit-soul is made of "sat-chitta-ananda"]

    In lieu of Religious trappings and methods ... there are absolute truths...for example: "WORK".

    All material and spiritual things preform their own allotted "WORK".

    The work of a stone is to stay stationary and to be hard and dense.
    The work of a water is to be wet.
    The work of a dog is to bark.
    The work of a student is to study.
    The work of a Sun is to shine.

    Such obligatory "Work" is referred to with the word "Dhar-ma" aka "Duty".

    We Spirit-souls in a Material World ...where duality causes the elements to move in a flux. Where ever the elements are found manifest ..."things Happen", and thus "Time" transpires.

    In the material world we have the Elements + Space + Time ...as a medium for Spirit-souls to take up residence in on of the myriads of Living Bodies ---each, from a common garden Ant up to the penthouses of the high and Mighty ---all species do the same four catagories of activies:
    eat,
    sleep,
    mate,
    defend.

    This is what all species do.

    God = The Supreme well-spring reservoir of PERSONA. The name, fame, form, personality, paraphernalia, entourage and pastimes of Godhead in His original form is a known fact and an open-book open-source fact awaiting any soul that considers "what the reason for taking re-births and thus working and working in different lifetimes for no reason except temporary pastimes is aiming at"

    In the material world, manifest & temporal Time exists.

    The Soul is made of "Sat" ---without time.

    Revelation of Godhead may change according to the level of intelligence of the worth of "Persona". Persona is the hallmark of Godhead.

    The Scientific method is no different than a "Recipe".

    So tasting the pudding is the only way to verify the results.

    The OP does not summerise the Theorem. [thou, theorem has the word Theo in it]

    So I will surmise that Mathematical calculations can not provide a proof where **ZERO can produce a One**

    ZERO = ZERO
    One = an outside addition.

    One & Zero cannot be separated they are join via the Laws of Duality that constitute how the elements stay in flux.

    And math can show this relationship. But where did the **One** emerge from?

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    the "One" is the self existent one, the "I am" that I am. he has revealed himself in his only begotten Son. every person on this planet [just about] knows his name. Jesus. that is a scientifically provable fact. it is in the rocks and dust. dig it up.
    Even so, Come, Lord Jesus
    I do not participate in delusion count me out

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    i define supernatural causation as outside or other than natural causes.

    Can't answer you're second question as it's not empirically testable. In other words I don't know.
    fair enough
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    No one else had a problem with this part?

    Dr Gödel’s model uses mathematical equations that are extremely complicated, but the essence is that no greater power than God can be conceived, and if he or she is believed as a concept then he or she can exist in reality.
    Not even close to proving the existence of God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guille View Post
    No one else had a problem with this part?

    Not even close to proving the existence of God.
    The real problem is with the very first line of the article...

    "SCIENTISTS have ‘confirmed’ the existence of God after proving a mathematician’s theory which suggests that there is a higher power."

    With confirmed being in quotation marks and suggests meaning what it means, it does not inspire a great deal of confidence.
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    C'MON MAN!!!!

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    If math helps you personally find God then go math! This would definitely be the only redeeming quality for math though if true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norah View Post
    If math helps you personally find God then go math! This would definitely be the only redeeming quality for math though if true.
    Hey now!!! ... There's a math teacher/CoC preacher posting on this board who might read this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celticguy View Post
    Evince will be required to accept that there is a God now.
    Praise God for that!
    Or deny science by refusing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guille View Post
    No one else had a problem with this part?



    Not even close to proving the existence of God.
    Says the guy who sits at the right hand of his Father.

    Thanks, Jesus, for the inside track...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    i define supernatural causation as outside or other than natural causes.

    Can't answer you're second question as it's not empirically testable. In other words I don't know.

    Arguing God as supernatural by your definition is begging the question.

    If there is a God then there is nothing that he does that is not natural. The simple act of existing makes the actions natural. I think a more universally logical definition of "supernatural" would be causation outside of our current ability to understand and explain. By that definition then God can be both real and his actions supernatural.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guille View Post
    No one else had a problem with this part?

    Not even close to proving the existence of God.
    Well, yes and no. The article doesn't do a great job of describing Gödel’s model.

    But the point, even as stated, is an interesting one. It is similar to an argument I have made for years regarding logically defining the existence of an after life that must exist if we believe a few simple non-controversial theories. Example:

    1) The big bang has an unexplainable causation
    2) The beginning of life was a probabilistic event
    3) The evolution of man was the result of a long string of probabilistic events
    4) The birth of Guille was a probabilistic event
    5) The life of Guille has been a series of probabilistic events
    6) Probability is the chance of a given occurrence happening in a finite amount of time
    7) Time is infinite
    8) Any event that is government by probability has a 100% chance of reoccurring given an infinite amount of time and will happen an infinite amount of times

    Ta Da! A belief that the universe is always expanding, and therefor time being infinite, means you believe you will have life after death.

    An alternative is to believe that time is finite but then you make it increasingly less likely that the creation of life was a chance occurrence.

    I believe in God because I have seen the work of God in me and the lives around me, and if he doesn't exist it means that some really smart people thousands of years ago wrote a pretty amazing user manual for human civilization.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    Grind is basically right
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    Grind’s got you beat by miles. He is very intelligent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Arguing God as supernatural by your definition is begging the question.

    If there is a God then there is nothing that he does that is not natural. The simple act of existing makes the actions natural. I think a more universally logical definition of "supernatural" would be causation outside of our current ability to understand and explain. By that definition then God can be both real and his actions supernatural.
    weak...that's a petitio principii logical fallacy in which you assume your initial premise is correct. Since there is no way you can prove your premise correct via empirical evidence your statement is illogical.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    weak...that's a petitio principii logical fallacy in which you assume your initial premise is correct. Since there is no way you can prove your premise correct via empirical evidence your statement is illogical.
    Nope. Belief in God the creator is a belief that God created the natural world, therefor it is a belief that God is natural. Ironically, your counter argument is actually a petitio principii fallacy as you require a disbelief in God before your definition of nature is acceptable. You don't have to believe what I believe to accept the idea that God as he is believed is natural.

    And, in fact, my definition of supernatural is the actual definition. A supernatural event is an event that defies human understanding and our understanding of the laws of nature. "Nature", on the other hand is all encompassing and not depending on the limits of our understanding

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