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    Conservatives like to play the "imagine if this was..." for everything.

    So, let's do it for the Russian hack: imagine if a country that was a traditional enemy of America's meddled in our election and helped get a Democrat elected President?

    And imagine if Republicans had the majority in Congress, as they do now.

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    Isn't the Repubkican congress already investigating it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    Isn't the Repubkican congress already investigating it?
    Obama & Schumer both called for an investigation today. Lindsey Graham called for it a few weeks ago.

    But no, they are not already investigating it.

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    If its NOT being investigated, why is the Congress being briefed on "Russia's hacking' and accusations being made as if it was already decided....

    The FBI said Monday it is investigating how thousands of Democratic National Committee emails were hacked, a breach that Hillary Clinton’s campaign maintains was committed by Russia to benefit Donald Trump. A statement from the FBI confirmed that it is “investigating a cyber intrusion involving the DNC,” adding that “a compromise of this nature is something we take very seriously.”
    “The FBI is investigating a cyber intrusion involving the DNC and are working to determine the nature and scope of the matter,” the FBI said, according to Politico.

    U.S. intelligence and law enforcement agencies are investigating what they see as a broad covert Russian operation in the United States to sow public distrust in the upcoming presidential election and in U.S. political institutions, intelligence and congressional officials said.
    The aim is to understand the scope and intent of the Russian campaign, which incorporates *cyber-tools to hack systems used in the political process, enhancing Russia’s ability to spread disinformation.
    The effort to better understand Russia’s covert influence operations is being coordinated by James R. Clapper Jr., the director of national intelligence. “This is something of concern for the DNI,” said Charles Allen, a former longtime CIA officer who has been briefed on some of these issues. “It is being addressed.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by NOVA View Post
    If its NOT being investigated, why is the Congress being briefed on "Russia's hacking' and accusations being made as if it was already decided....

    The FBI said Monday it is investigating how thousands of Democratic National Committee emails were hacked, a breach that Hillary Clinton’s campaign maintains was committed by Russia to benefit Donald Trump. A statement from the FBI confirmed that it is “investigating a cyber intrusion involving the DNC,” adding that “a compromise of this nature is something we take very seriously.”
    “The FBI is investigating a cyber intrusion involving the DNC and are working to determine the nature and scope of the matter,” the FBI said, according to Politico.

    U.S. intelligence and law enforcement agencies are investigating what they see as a broad covert Russian operation in the United States to sow public distrust in the upcoming presidential election and in U.S. political institutions, intelligence and congressional officials said.
    The aim is to understand the scope and intent of the Russian campaign, which incorporates *cyber-tools to hack systems used in the political process, enhancing Russia’s ability to spread disinformation.
    The effort to better understand Russia’s covert influence operations is being coordinated by James R. Clapper Jr., the director of national intelligence. “This is something of concern for the DNI,” said Charles Allen, a former longtime CIA officer who has been briefed on some of these issues. “It is being addressed.”
    Why does trump refuse to accept the intel briefings on this?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Thing1 View Post
    Conservatives like to play the "imagine if this was..." for everything.

    So, let's do it for the Russian hack: imagine if a country that was a traditional enemy of America's meddled in our election and helped get a Democrat elected President?

    And imagine if Republicans had the majority in Congress, as they do now.
    If the information was credible and damaging, it would be hard to spin from, which is the same position Dems now find themselves in. Of course, the media narrative would be "Woodward & Bernstein" rather than outrage. A lot of people felt the GOP had it coming in 2006, when they lost Congress amid numerous scandals, such as Foley and DeLay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by christiefan915 View Post
    Why does trump refuse to accept the intel briefings on this?
    Your guess is as good as mine....I don't what he's thinking anymore than anyone else.....the intell people say they believe with "high confidence" it was Russia....
    if they said it was because of "absolute proof" that would be another thing.....
    If he's waiting for absolute proof, he just ain't gonna get that level of proof......intelligence rarely if ever offers absolute proof of anything, thats the nature of intelligence.

    If Assuage would admit he got his info from the Russians, that would be as close as we could expect....

    Those high confidence conclusions have certainly been shown to be inaccurate in the past.....personally, I think its safer to go with the intell. until its proven wrong....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Threedee View Post
    If the information was credible and damaging, it would be hard to spin from, which is the same position Dems now find themselves in. Of course, the media narrative would be "Woodward & Bernstein" rather than outrage. A lot of people felt the GOP had it coming in 2006, when they lost Congress amid numerous scandals, such as Foley and DeLay.
    "If the information was credible and damaging, it would be hard to spin from, which is the same position Dems now find themselves in.".....thats no understatement TD

    Those DNC leaks on top of the FBI testimony was like a double tap.....no spin could fix it and the Dems went down in flames.....
    Put blame where it belongs
    ATF decided it could not regulate bump stocks during the Obama administration.
    It that time," the NRA wrote in a statement. "The NRA believes that devices designed to allow semiautomatic rifles to function like fully-automatic rifles should be subject to additional regulations."
    The ATF and Obama admin. ignored the NRA recommendations.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Thing1 View Post
    Conservatives like to play the "imagine if this was..." for everything.

    So, let's do it for the Russian hack: imagine if a country that was a traditional enemy of America's meddled in our election and helped get a Democrat elected President?

    And imagine if Republicans had the majority in Congress, as they do now.
    I'd imagine that they aren't going to do or say shit about it ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by NOVA View Post
    "If the information was credible and damaging, it would be hard to spin from, which is the same position Dems now find themselves in.".....thats no understatement TD

    Those DNC leaks on top of the FBI testimony was like a double tap.....no spin could fix it and the Dems went down in flames.....
    So are you suggesting that it isn't possible to hack the US election system?
    AMERICAN HISTORY ITSELF IS A TESTAMENT TO THE STRENGTH AND RESILIENCE OF AFRICAN PEOPLE. WE, ALONG WITH THE COURGE AND SACRIFICES OF CONSCIOUS WHITE AMERICANS, LIKE VIOLA LIUZZO, EVERETT DIRKSEN, AND MANY OTHERS, HAVE FOUGHT AND DIED TOGETHER FOR OUR FREEDOM, AND FOR OUR SURVIVAL.

    In America, rights are are not determined by what is just, fair, equitable, honest, nor by what Jesus would do. Rights are determined ONLY by what you can DEMAND.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thing1 View Post
    Conservatives like to play the "imagine if this was..." for everything.

    So, let's do it for the Russian hack: imagine if a country that was a traditional enemy of America's meddled in our election and helped get a Democrat elected President?

    And imagine if Republicans had the majority in Congress, as they do now.
    Imagine if there was actually a way for a foreign country to meddle in an election......sorry, not coming up with anything......

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    Quote Originally Posted by christiefan915 View Post
    Why does trump refuse to accept the intel briefings on this?
    There aren't any to accept....

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackascoal View Post
    So are you suggesting that it isn't possible to hack the US election system?
    Well, yeah.....does it surprise you that machines not connected to the internet can't be hacked?....

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