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    Default Cliven Bundy: some charges dropped, but remains behind bars ...

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    I've only heard one radio report on this, and early reports can often include errors or omissions. Updates welcome.

    According to one 4:AM/ET radio news report Cliven Bundy, the rancher that grazed his cattle on government land, and then refused to pay the grazing fees, and then staged an armed protest, occupying other U.S. government facility.

    The report indicated some of the charges have been dropped, but that Bundy remains behind bars.

    The report mentioned that critics warn that dismissing such charges is likely to embolden similar trespass protests, particularly (according to the one report) if Hillary Clinton is elected president.

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    http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-sta..._case_thr.html

    Cliven Bundy standoff case thrown out in another stunning blow to government

    A judge Monday threw out criminal charges against Nevada cattleman Cliven Bundy, his two sons and a co-defendant in their 2014 standoff with federal agents, citing "flagrant misconduct" by prosecutors and the FBI in not disclosing evidence before and during trial.

    "The government's conduct in this case was indeed outrageous," said U.S. District Judge Gloria M. Navarro. "There has been flagrant misconduct, substantial prejudice and no lesser remedy is sufficient."

    The judge issued her ruling before a packed courtroom with nearly 100 spectators inside and more than a dozen others waiting outside the doors. Cliven Bundy's lawyer put his arm around his client. Supporters held hands, wiped tears from their eyes and hugged. One looked up and whispered, "Thank you, Lord.''

    The dismissal with prejudice, meaning prosecutors can't seek a new trial, marked an embarrassing nadir for the government, which now has failed to convict the Bundys in two major federal cases stemming from separate armed standoffs.
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2018/01/...om-ruby-ridge/

    Federal judge Gloria Navarro slammed the FBI and Justice Department on Monday, Jan. 8, for “outrageous” abuses and “flagrant misconduct” in the prosecution of Cliven Bundy and sons, the Nevada ranchers who spurred a high-profile standoff with the FBI and Bureau of Land Management in 2014. Navarro condemned the “grossly shocking” withholding of evidence from defense counsel in a case that could have landed the Bundys in prison for the rest of their lives. Navarro, who had declared a mistrial last month, dismissed all charges against the Bundys.

    Navarro was especially riled because the FBI spent three years covering up or lying about the role of their snipers in the 2014 standoff. The Bundys faced conspiracy charges because they summoned militia to defend them after claiming FBI snipers had surrounded their ranch. Justice Department lawyers scoffed at this claim but newly-released documents vindicate the Bundys. In an interview Saturday, Ammon Bundy reviled the feds: “They basically came to kill our family, they surrounded us with snipers. And then they wanted to lie about it all like none of it happened.”

    Many of the heavily-armed activists who flocked to the scene feared that the FBI snipers had a license to kill the Bundys. Their reaction cannot be understood without considering a landmark 1990s case that continues to shape millions of Americans’ attitude towards Washington: the federal killings and coverups at Ruby Ridge.

    Randy Weaver and his family lived in an isolated cabin in the mountains of northern Idaho. Weaver was a white separatist who believed races should live apart; he had no record of violence against other races — or anyone else. An undercover federal agent entrapped him into selling a sawed-off shotgun. The feds then sought to pressure Weaver to become an informant but he refused.

    After Weaver was sent the wrong court date and failed to show up, the feds launched a vendetta. Idaho lawyer David Nevin noted that U.S.:

    “Marshals called in military aerial reconnaissance and had photos studied by the Defense Mapping Agency. They prowled the woods around Weaver’s cabin with night-vision equipment. They had psychological profiles performed and installed $130,000 worth of long-range solar-powered spy cameras. … They even knew the menstrual cycle of Weaver’s teenage daughter, and planned an arrest scenario around it.”

    On August 21, 1992, six camouflaged U.S. Marshals carrying machine guns trespassed onto the Weavers’ property. Three marshals circled close to the Weaver cabin and killed one of their dogs. A firefight ensued and 14-year old Sammy Weaver was shot in the back and killed as he was leaving the scene. Kevin Harris, a family friend, responded by fatally shooting a federal marshal who had fired seven shots in the melee.
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Holy ****house!
    I've been posting here since 2016 ?!

    PS
    Bundy's a dirt-ball.
    Have a nice day.
    "It should be obvious to anyone why conservatives and libertarians should be against Trump. He has no grounding in belief. No core philosophy. No morals. No loyalty. No curiosity. No empathy and no understanding. He demands personal loyalty and not loyalty to the nation. His only core belief is in his own superiority to everyone else. His only want is exercise more and more personal power." smb / purveyor of fact 18/03/18

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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    two officers are still DEAD because of these assholes
    and so is an innocent civilian. sucks that your precious government was forced to criminality to try to convict. just lucky that they were found out.
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sear View Post
    Holy ****house!
    I've been posting here since 2016 ?!

    PS
    Bundy's a dirt-ball.
    Have a nice day.
    innocent people suck, don't they?
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Jane both sucked and swallowed. I deeply appreciate that.

    But that has no bearing on Bundy, who cheated not only the ranchers he was in economic competition with.
    THEY paid the costs of their grazing lands, while Bundy stole it from the entire nation; plucked the $value of of it straight out of the treasury, and kept it to himself.
    "innocent people suck, don't they?" SY
    I can't attest to them all. But since Bundy is anything but innocent, your question is a non sequitur.

    Bundy is a thief, a shyster. And I hold an exceedingly dim view of he and his thug chums forcing an armed stand-off against our federal agents.
    "It should be obvious to anyone why conservatives and libertarians should be against Trump. He has no grounding in belief. No core philosophy. No morals. No loyalty. No curiosity. No empathy and no understanding. He demands personal loyalty and not loyalty to the nation. His only core belief is in his own superiority to everyone else. His only want is exercise more and more personal power." smb / purveyor of fact 18/03/18

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    It was all an elaborate plan to get some snacks.

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    if bundy ACTUALLY committed any of those crimes, why wasn't he convicted? why did the government have to disregard rules of evidence and violate the rights of the bundys just to try for a conviction?

    I guess you're actually wrong about your facts then, aren't you?
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    "if bundy ACTUALLY committed any of those crimes, why wasn't he convicted? why did the government have to disregard rules of evidence and violate the rights of the bundys just to try for a conviction?" SY #10
    Go to college.
    Study law.
    Your answer is there.

    But while we're dropping questions:
    if Bundy isn't guilty, why is he so vehement about denying government authority to regulate land use?
    "I guess" SY
    Yes.
    Your confession is noted.
    But I recognized it before you admitted it.
    "you're actually wrong about your facts then, aren't you?" SY
    Yeah. Bundy and OJ Simpson, hapless victims of a criminal justice system that's lost all rational restraint!

    More likely you're wrong about the interpretation, the actual literal grammatical meaning of my posted words.

    I never said Bundy was convicted.
    Having weighed the preponderance of the evidence from a variety of sources, each corroborating the other, I've concluded it's likely to one degree or another Bundy has grazed his livestock without paying we owners our just due.

    You doubt me?
    Tell you what.
    I live just a few doors away from a cattle ranch.
    I know a thing or two about ranching.

    Why don't YOU get thee to some ranchers, and ask them if they think it's fair that they have to compete in the market when they pay for their grazing land, against a crook that is also supposed to, but doesn't.

    I'm confident you'll find those ranchers, and most others will agree with me.
    "It should be obvious to anyone why conservatives and libertarians should be against Trump. He has no grounding in belief. No core philosophy. No morals. No loyalty. No curiosity. No empathy and no understanding. He demands personal loyalty and not loyalty to the nation. His only core belief is in his own superiority to everyone else. His only want is exercise more and more personal power." smb / purveyor of fact 18/03/18

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