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    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a..._lot_like.html

    This is an important read.

    If this were Hillary, or ANY democrat the right would be going nuts. It's amazing to me they will get into bed with a traitor, perhaps the closest thing to a Manchurian candidate this country has ever seen.

    This guy is in Putin's pocket. Putin is interfering in an american election in an attempt to help Trump get elected. And if Trump is elected, Putin will get what he wants. As will Trump.

    That is if the CIA or whatever other nebulous security agencies we have would ever allow Trump to take office...I have my doubts. But that would leave us with Pence. I will say that Pence will not sell us out to the Russians, but that is the highest praise I can give him. He's a freaking right wing loon in every other way.

    Think before you vote. Try and remember a time when your love of country actually meant something other than "I HATE DEMOCRATS" as you foam at the mouth. Try and remember a time when you were something other than a rage furby.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darla View Post
    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a..._lot_like.html

    This is an important read.

    If this were Hillary, or ANY democrat the right would be going nuts. It's amazing to me they will get into bed with a traitor, perhaps the closest thing to a Manchurian candidate this country has ever seen.

    This guy is in Putin's pocket. Putin is interfering in an american election in an attempt to help Trump get elected. And if Trump is elected, Putin will get what he wants. As will Trump.

    That is if the CIA or whatever other nebulous security agencies we have would ever allow Trump to take office...I have my doubts. But that would leave us with Pence. I will say that Pence will not sell us out to the Russians, but that is the highest praise I can give him. He's a freaking right wing loon in every other way.

    Think before you vote. Try and remember a time when your love of country actually meant something other than "I HATE DEMOCRATS" as you foam at the mouth. Try and remember a time when you were something other than a rage furby.
    I agree, the Russian involvement in this is far more concerning to me than the DNC backing Clinton.

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    Another reason he doesn't want tax records released?

    Who are the men?

    Loans? What kind of loans? Partnerships? What kind? Investments? What kind?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    Another reason he doesn't want tax records released?

    Who are the men?

    Loans? What kind of loans? Partnerships? What kind? Investments? What kind?
    Exactly, we are never going to see those tax returns.
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    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/25/us...=tw-share&_r=0

    WASHINGTON — An unusual question is capturing the attention of cyberspecialists, Russia experts and Democratic Party leaders in Philadelphia: Is Vladimir V. Putin trying to meddle in the American presidential election?

    Until Friday, that charge, with its eerie suggestion of a Kremlin conspiracy to aid Donald J. Trump, has been only whispered.

    But the release on Friday of some 20,000 stolen emails from the Democratic National Committee’s computer servers, many of them embarrassing to Democratic leaders, has intensified discussion of the role of Russian intelligence agencies in disrupting the 2016 campaign.

    The emails, released first by a supposed hacker and later by WikiLeaks, exposed the degree to which the Democratic apparatus favored Hillary Clinton over her primary rival, Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont, and triggered the resignation of Debbie Wasserman Schultz, the party chairwoman, on the eve of the convention’s first day.

    Proving the source of a cyberattack is notoriously difficult. But researchers have concluded that the national committee was breached by two Russian intelligence agencies, which were the same attackers behind previous Russian cyberoperations at the White House, the State Department and the Joint Chiefs of Staff last year. And metadata from the released emails suggests that the documents passed through Russian computers. Though a hacker claimed responsibility for giving the emails to WikiLeaks, the same agencies are the prime suspects. Whether the thefts were ordered by Mr. Putin, or just carried out by apparatchiks who thought they might please him, is anyone’s guess.

    On Sunday morning, the issue erupted, as Mrs. Clinton’s campaign manager, Robby Mook, argued on ABC’s “This Week” that the emails were leaked “by the Russians for the purpose of helping Donald Trump” citing “experts” but offering no other evidence. Mr. Mook also suggested that the Russians might have good reason to support Mr. Trump: The Republican nominee indicated in an interview with The New York Times last week that he might not back NATO nations if they came under attack from Russia — unless he was first convinced that the countries had made sufficient contributions to the Atlantic alliance.

    It was a remarkable moment: Even at the height of the Cold War, it was hard to find a presidential campaign willing to charge that its rival was essentially secretly doing the bidding of a key American adversary. But the accusation is emerging as a theme of Mrs. Clinton’s campaign, as part of an attempt to portray Mr. Trump not only as an isolationist, but also as one who would go soft on confronting Russia as it threatens nations that have shown too much independence from Moscow or, in the case of Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia, joined NATO.

    Mr. Trump has also said he would like to “get along with Russia” if he is elected, and complimented Mr. Putin, saying he is more of a leader than President Obama. Mr. Putin has in turn praised Mr. Trump. But Trump campaign officials on Sunday strongly rejected any connections between their candidate and efforts to undermine the Democrats.

    “Are there any ties between Mr. Trump, you or your campaign and Putin and his regime?” George Stephanopoulos, of “This Week,” asked Paul Manafort, Mr. Trump’s campaign chairman.

    “No, there are not,” Mr. Manafort shot back. “That’s absurd. And, you know, there’s no basis to it.”

    One of Mr. Trump’s sons, Donald Trump Jr., was more definitive, charging the Clinton camp with a smear campaign. “I can’t think of bigger lies,” he said on CNN. The younger Mr. Trump mockingly suggested that Mr. Mook’s “house cat at home once said this is what happened with the Russians.’’

    It may take months, or years, to figure out the motives of those who stole the emails, and more important, whether they were being commanded by Russian authorities, and specifically by Mr. Putin. But the theft from the national committee would be among the most important state-sponsored hacks yet of an American organization, rivaled only by the attacks on the Office of Personnel Management by state-sponsored Chinese hackers, and the attack on Sony Pictures Entertainment, which Mr. Obama blamed on North Korea. There, too, embarrassing emails were released, but they had no political significance. The WikiLeaks release, however, has more of a tinge of Russian-style information war, in which the intent of the revelations is to alter political events. Exactly how, though, is a bit of a mystery, apart from embarrassing Democrats and further alienating Mr. Sanders’s supporters from Mrs. Clinton.

    Evidence so far suggests that the attack was the work of at least two separate agencies, each apparently working without the knowledge that the other was inside the Democrats’ computers. It is unclear how WikiLeaks obtained the email trove. But the presumption is that the intelligence agencies turned it over, either directly or through an intermediary. Moreover, the timing of the release, between the end of the Republican convention and the beginning of the Democratic one, seems too well planned to be coincidental.

    Mr. Trump himself leapt on the news after the WikiLeaks release on Saturday. In a Twitter message he wrote: “Leaked emails of DNC show plans to destroy Bernie Sanders. Mock his heritage and much more. On-line from Wikileakes, really vicious. RIGGED.”

    The experts cited by Mr. Mook include CrowdStrike, a cybersecurity firm that was brought into the Democratic National Committee when officials there suspected they had been hacked.

    In mid-June the company announced that the intruders appeared to include a group it had previously identified by the name “Cozy Bear” or “APT 29” and been inside the committee’s servers for a year. A second group, “Fancy Bear,” also called “APT 28,” came into the system in April. It appears to be operated by the G.R.U., the Russian military intelligence service, according to federal investigators and private cybersecurity firms. The first group is particularly well known to the F.B.I.’s counterintelligence unit, the C.I.A. and other intelligence agencies. It was identified by federal investigators as the likely culprit behind years of intrusions into the State Department and White House unclassified computer system.

    Russian intelligence agencies went to great lengths to cover their tracks, investigators found, including meticulously deleting logs, and changing the time stamps of the stolen files.

    Officials at several other firms that have examined the code for the malware used against the Democratic National Committee and the metadata of the stolen documents found evidence that the documents had been accessed by multiple computers, some with Russian language settings. Moscow has outsourced politically motivated hacking to outside groups in the past. A crippling attack on Estonia in 2007, for example, was attributed to the pro-Kremlin Nashi youth organization. Intelligence officials and security researchers believe this outsourcing is done, in part, to preserve a measure of plausible deniability.

    Intrusions for intelligence collection are hardly unusual, and the United States often does the same, stealing emails and other secrets from intelligence services and even political parties. But the release to WikiLeaks adds another strange element, because it suggests that the intelligence findings are being “weaponized” — used to influence the election in some way. The story has another level of intrigue involving Mr. Manafort, Mr. Trump’s campaign chairman. Working through his lobbying firm, Mr. Manafort was one of several American advisers to Viktor F. Yanukovych, the Russian-backed leader of Ukraine until he was forced out of office two years ago. Mr. Yanukovych was a key Putin ally who is now in exile in Russia.
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    Another interesting thing is that Trump went ballistic on twitter yesterday. First he posted in conjunction with the Putin/Trump leaks and stated that Bernie could no longer support Hillary.

    Then, when Sanders didn't play along he went sideways and called him all kinds of names including "weak" and a phony.

    The Manchurian Candidate.

    Putin pulling the strings of all the useful idiots whether it be weakening the European Union with Brexit, or getting his lapdog installed into office so he can weaken/destroy NATO for him.
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    http://www.politico.eu/article/why-r...putin-kremlin/

    MOSCOW — Excited by Donald Trump’s pledge to promote “easing of tensions and improved relations with Russia,” the Kremlin establishment earlier this month invited Trump adviser Carter Page to speak before graduating students of Russian School of Economics. Page did not disappoint. In his remarks, Page condemned current American policy for its “often-hypocritical focus on democratization, inequality, corruption and regime change.” When a Russian student asked Page whether he really believed that American society was liberal and democratic, Trump’s adviser grinned and delivered a line that might have come from Vladimir Putin himself. “I surround the word ‘liberal’ with quotes,” he said. ”I tend to agree with you that it’s not always as liberal as it may seem,” he said. “I’m with you.”

    It was thus perfectly in keeping with Trump campaign’s entente with the Kremlin that last week Trump aides reportedly watered down the new Republican platform on Russia, removing language that called for giving weapons to Ukraine to fight Russian and rebel forces. Page, an energy expert, has close ties to Russian business and relationships with executives at Gazprom, the giant state-run gas company. Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort has worked as a lobbyist for former Ukraine’s former Russia-aligned president, Viktor Yanukovych.

    For Putin, Trump is the gift that keeps on giving. Shunned and sanctioned by western leaders for Russia’s aggression in Ukraine, Putin now sees a future ally riding into view. The Kremlin and its right-wing supporters also enthusiastically applaud the isolationist they see in Trump, who has suggested he might curtail U.S. involvement in NATO and European affairs, and who derides the same political “mainstream” that has deemed Putin a pariah.

    If he wins in November, would Trump allow Russia’s sphere of influence to grow in Eastern Europe? These are the questions that are rife in Russian official circles.
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    I think what you are seeing a lot of on the right is what Krugman calls The Chump Factor. Righties simply will not accept they got took this badly. Especially since all of their lives the liberals have been the "Commie lovers" and the "Traitors".

    And here they are...they let the wolf right into the chicken coop. They are such big chumps that they simply HAVE to go into defensive mode and convince themselves it's not true. It can't be true.
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    Who said the following, leftist wildman Tim Robbins or right wing intellectual David Frum?

    "The strongly evidenced claim that Putin is backing his party’s candidate is a claim that demands much more than a shrug from the RNC chair"

    "The news - the real news - in the DNC leak is the information about which US candidate Putin favors and why. That is nuclear-grade news."

    "Even the biggest news inside the DNC emails is about one/one-zillionth as big as Russian interference in US elections and utterly dwarfed by latest strong indication of Kremlin active measures to elect Donald Trump."
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    Any proof ?
    All I've heard is hrc suggesting it.
    And remember were a certain hacker went after he wiki leaked other stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celticguy View Post
    Any proof ?
    All I've heard is hrc suggesting it.
    And remember were a certain hacker went after he wiki leaked other stuff.
    Maybe you ought to try reading the news articles on this. I linked some of them. If all you've heard is Hillary suggesting it that's cause that's all you want to hear.
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    New reporting from Michael Isikoff: Hackers of DNC also targeted personal email of DNC staffer who was probing Manafort's business dealings.

    The FBI has opened an investigation. Wouldn't it be something if they actually nail Manafort and find his fingerprints on this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darla View Post
    New reporting from Michael Isikoff: Hackers of DNC also targeted personal email of DNC staffer who was probing Manafort's business dealings.

    The FBI has opened an investigation. Wouldn't it be something if they actually nail Manafort and find his fingerprints on this?
    So there us no proof just speculation.
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    Wouldn't it be great if Hillary Clinton was finally charged for her irresponsible criminal activities.

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