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    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    Huh? Asking a question you don't understand? You do realize what a question's purpose is? You exhibit confusion over language and ideas, thus you censor your threads so conflicting ideas don't compromise your bias and bigotry. Weak men are afraid of ideas. And there are lots of veterans in our family, did you read my profile? Posting several off the wall replies doesn't make you smart, but then again that isn't something you could claim given those replies.

    "On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron." H. L. Mencken

    Our draft dodger in charge,
    Trump Airlines, failed
    Trump Casinos, failed
    Trump Marriages, failed
    Trump Mortgage, failed
    Trump University, failed
    Trump Vodka, failed
    Trump Steaks, failed
    Bankruptcies, four so far, draft dodger Trump pays no taxes and cheats on taxes. So remind us again, what makes him such a winner. Oh enjoy supporting his family and him these next four years with your taxes, his one success was bamboozling insecure Americans that he was their savior. Good luck with that too.
    Trump is just a figurehead.

    Trump ended up governing as a conservative which is why you progressive leftists despise him but he is still just a figurehead.

    It is Trump's supporters whom you all dispise.

    You're all unpatriotic and you're all hateful.

    You have 0 sense of civic duty.

    And you all are left of liberals.
    MAGA IS ALIVE AND WELL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by philly rabbit View Post
    Trump is just a figurehead.

    Trump ended up governing as a conservative which is why you progressive leftists despise him but he is still just a figurehead.

    It is Trump's supporters whom you all dispise.

    You're all unpatriotic and you're all hateful.

    You have 0 sense of civic duty.

    And you all are left of liberals.
    Not true for everyone...

    In what way is he just a figurehead?? Who is the real power behind the cheap glitzy thrown??
    "There is no question former President Trump bears moral responsibility. His supporters stormed the Capitol because of the unhinged falsehoods he shouted into the world’s largest megaphone," McConnell wrote. "His behavior during and after the chaos was also unconscionable, from attacking Vice President Mike Pence during the riot to praising the criminals after it ended."



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    Quote Originally Posted by philly rabbit View Post
    Trump is just a figurehead.

    Trump ended up governing as a conservative which is why you progressive leftists despise him but he is still just a figurehead.

    It is Trump's supporters whom you all dispise.

    You're all unpatriotic and you're all hateful.

    You have 0 sense of civic duty.

    And you all are left of liberals.
    As a figurehead he sure does a lot of EAs that hurt immigrants, heathcare, jobs, and Americans. Pres Donnie is no conservatives unless cheating on your taxes, workers, and wives is a new conservative value. Trump is too sad to be hated, one must feel pity for a man born into wealth, but so insecure. Civic duty, I served during Nam, pay my taxes, vote, and post online in the hope intelligence and civic duty still exist in America. Left of liberals? Not sure what that is even supposed to mean. For the right wing Trump snowflake those words have meaning within the tribe, outside the group they are only dog whistles.


    "What is patriotism? [civic duty] Let us begin with what patriotism is not. It is not patriotic to dodge the draft and to mock war heroes and their families. It is not patriotic to discriminate against active-duty members of the armed forces in one's companies, or to campaign to keep disabled veterans away from one's property. It is not patriotic to compare one's search for sexual partners in New York with the military service in Vietnam that one has dodged. It is not patriotic to avoid paying taxes, especially when American working families do pay. It is not patriotic to ask those working, taxpaying American families to finance one's own presidential campaign, and then to spend their contributions in one's own companies. It is not patriotic to admire foreign dictators. It is not patriotic to cultivate a relationship with Muammar Gaddafi; or to say that Bashar al-Assad and Vladimir Putin are superior leaders. It is not patriotic to call upon Russia to intervene in an American presidential election. It is not patriotic to cite Russian propaganda at rallies." Timothy Snyder
    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/33917107-on-tyranny
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    We were out yesterday and a bumper sticker had a veterans for Trump sticker. I can't figure it out as Trump's actions are hardly helpful to vets. So i came back to this thread and added some more information. I was happy to see the many views.

    "While disabled veterans should be given every opportunity to earn a living, is it fair to do so to the detriment of the city as a whole or its tax paying citizens and businesses? Do we allow Fifth Ave., one of the world’s finest and most luxurious shopping districts, to be turned into an outdoor flea market, clogging and seriously downgrading the area?” Donald Trump

    https://www.factcheck.org/2016/02/tr...teran-vendors/


    “Oh they can make a living. I just don’t want their dirty crippled selves selling stuff near my totally classy buildings.”

    https://www.redstate.com/jaycaruso/2...rump-veterans/


    'No One Disrespects the Troops More Than Donald Trump'

    https://www.gq.com/story/trump-and-the-troops


    'Donald Trump’s Properties Were Sued At Least Eight Times For Disabilities Violations'

    http://trumplies.com/donald-trumps-h...ring-veterans/


    '5 Reasons Veterans Should Not Support Donald Trump'

    https://time.com/4489574/veterans-donald-trump/


    Cadet Bone Spurs, as Illinois senator and Iraq war vet Tammy Duckworth calls Trump

    'Trump's proposed Memorial Day pardons dishonor veterans — and pervert justice'

    https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinio...ce-ncna1010241

    Reading:

    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/33917107-on-tyranny

    Lying to Veterans

    https://www.nydailynews.com/news/pol...icle-1.3204210
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    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    Why do veterans support Trump? Do they really think he will change the republican party's policies? Trump like so many republicans was a draft dodger. Lots of men were, I've only met one in my life who was honest and admitted getting a exemption. And while the lower classes served, the upper classes hide. And face it folks, bringing back the draft would create more crying than a Dear John. When Trump beats his chest like some superman, I have to laugh, when he had the chance to serve he too hide. So why the support? And this question is about policy, not the usual equivalency apologetic rebuttal.

    http://usuncut.com/politics/happy-ve...ewed-veterans/

    http://www.politicususa.com/2014/05/...-business.html

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/1...rting-veterans

    http://www.militarytimes.com/story/v...tion/71312038/

    http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/01/politi...rans-benefits/

    http://www.politicususa.com/2015/11/...-veterans.html


    "Republicans approve of the American farmer, but they are willing to help him go broke. They stand four-square for the American home -but not for housing. They are strong for labor - but they are stronger for restricting labor's rights. They favor minimum wage - the smaller the minimum wage the better. They endorse educational opportunity for all - but they won't spend money for teachers or for schools. They think modern medical care and hospitals are fine - for people who can afford them. They consider electrical power a great blessing - but only when the private power companies get their rake-off. They think American standard of living is a fine thing - so long as it doesn't spread to all the people. And they admire of Government of the United States so much that they would like to buy it." Harry S. Truman
    Conservativism is more of an identity than an ideology. People start with the identity and then just blindly believe in all of the ideas. That's how we end up with poor rural farmers who vote Republicans even as conservative policies make them poorer.
    Farmers are getting hit the hardest by Trump's tariffs, but you know most of them still ain't gonna vote for no sissy liberal Democrat!

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    Conservativism is more of an identity than an ideology. People start with the identity and then just blindly believe in all of the ideas. That's how we end up with poor rural farmers who vote Republicans even as conservative policies make them poorer.
    Farmers are getting hit the hardest by Trump's tariffs, but you know most of them still ain't gonna vote for no sissy liberal Democrat!
    [Bold added]

    LOL you are so right and add in they are 'socialists' who give everything away to 'you know who' and the light skinned person is in your pocket for life. Kinda simple isn't it.

    There is an old expression 'cutting off your nose to spite your face' that so fits the American conservative today it should be their motto.


    "It's always been a great survival value for people to believe they belong to a superior tribe. That's just in human relationships." E. O. Wilson


    PS Off topic: E. O. Wilson book 'On Human Nature' is an excellent read that touches on these sort of topics.
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    I was glad to hear there is another Veteran's ad opposing Trump and ask that he be presidential. I think that's impossible but.... When it is out, I'll post it.

    A few days ago my wife and I visited 'the Berkshire Museum' in Pittsfield, Massachusetts, I got in for free. Nice gesture.

    Older info for the interested.

    https://www.votevets.org/press/votev...mate-president

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    Just imagine giving your life for your country but your child is denied citizenship. The Trump administration is the most despicable administration in our history.

    'Trump administration ends automatic citizenship for some children of military, federal workers born abroad'

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/immig...3c0_story.html


    "A veteran, whether active duty, retired, national guard, or reserve, is someone who, at one point of their life, signed a blank check made payable to "The United States of America", for an amount of 'up to and including my life. "
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    Cadet Bone Spurs strikes again.

    "New schools, dining halls, a new fire station and a rescue station are just some of the projects that military members and their families will not see on bases around the world as money is reappropriated from them to fund construction of the United States' border wall."

    https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trum...-funds-1457962


    Missing in action again.

    "As lawmakers and community leaders reeled at two mass shootings that claimed 29 lives in 24 hours, President Donald Trump stayed out of the spotlight and kept his summer vacation going at his New Jersey golf club."

    https://www.insider.com/trump-pictur...ootings-2019-8


    "On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron." H. L. Mencken
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    I'm a vet and I voted for him --- primarily because the alternative was orders of magnitude worse. By the way the libs did it too - they ran away to Canada and then when it was over they whined to be allowed to come home. Plus check out how old Joe Biden skirted his duty to serve. In that respect he and Trump are a pair. I personally think the libs were worse draft dodgers than the cons ---- but then I tend to be a tad bit rightwing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flighty View Post
    I'm a vet and I voted for him --- primarily because the alternative was orders of magnitude worse. By the way the libs did it too - they ran away to Canada and then when it was over they whined to be allowed to come home. Plus check out how old Joe Biden skirted his duty to serve. In that respect he and Trump are a pair. I personally think the libs were worse draft dodgers than the cons ---- but then I tend to be a tad bit rightwing.
    You are allowed your biases and its nice that you admit them, but if you are a serious student of why one is better or more qualified than the other you need to do some homework. And while I agree conscientious objectors did the same, at least they acted and took a stand, the rich and privileged paid off doctors and hid. There is a difference.

    Trump:

    http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3...f-donald-trump

    Hillary:

    http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3...illary-clinton


    "What is patriotism? Let us begin with what patriotism is not. It is not patriotic to dodge the draft and to mock war heroes and their families. It is not patriotic to discriminate against active-duty members of the armed forces in one's companies, or to campaign to keep disabled veterans away from one's property. It is not patriotic to compare one's search for sexual partners in New York with the military service in Vietnam that one has dodged. It is not patriotic to avoid paying taxes, especially when American working families do pay. It is not patriotic to ask those working, taxpaying American families to finance one's own presidential campaign, and then to spend their contributions in one's own companies. It is not patriotic to admire foreign dictators. It is not patriotic to cultivate a relationship with Muammar Gaddafi; or to say that Bashar al-Assad and Vladimir Putin are superior leaders. It is not patriotic to call upon Russia to intervene in an American presidential election. It is not patriotic to cite Russian propaganda at rallies." Timothy Snyder

    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/33917107-on-tyranny
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    While Hunter Thompson in article below is writing about another republican president who faced impeachment, it is curious that republicans and so called conservatives elect the worst of the worst.

    'Trump Is Not Well - Accepting the reality about the president’s disordered personality is important—even essential.'

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...t-well/597640/


    "It is difficult for the ordinary voter to come to grips with the notion that a truly evil man, a truthless monster with the brains of a king rat and the soul of a cockroach, is about to be sworn in as the president of the United States for the next four years. . . . And he will bring his gang in with him, a mean network of lawyers and salesmen and pimps who will loot the national treasury, warp the laws, mock the rules and stay awake 22 hours a day looking for at least one reason to declare war, officially, on some hapless tribe in the Sahara or heathen fanatic like the Ayatollah Khomeini."

    'This Political Theorist Predicted the Rise of Trumpism. His Name Was *Hunter S. Thompson.'


    "In Hell’s Angels, the gonzo journalist wrote about left-behind people motivated only by “an ethic of total retaliation.” Sound familiar?"

    https://www.thenation.com/article/th...er-s-thompson/
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    Good to see Trump and family caught in their constant dishonesty and thievery. See book at bottom too.


    'Trump admits to using veterans fundraiser money to buy a portrait of himself for his hotel'

    https://www.frontpagelive.com/2019/1...for-his-hotel/

    "President Trump’s children—Donald Trump, Jr., Ivanka Trump, and Eric Trump—were officers of the foundation.

    NPR reports that the $2 million in damages will be distributed to several charities including the Army Emergency Relief, Children’s Aid Society, Citymeals-on-Wheels, Give an Hour, Martha’s Table, United Negro College Fund, United Way of National Capital Area, and U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum."


    'The Making of Donald Trump' by David Cay Johnston

    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/...-donald-trump?
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    To all my fellow Vets, have a great day, week, month year etc etc etc.... james

    My family is full of vets. Now that everyone wears hats or T-shirts, it is funny, talking about our various experiences. One Air force Nam vet in WaWa recently talked my head off. lol

    Back on topic:

    'Veteran Scorns Donald Trump Jr. for comparing his family's suffering to dying in battle: 'Sacrifice Is Only A Word To The Trumps''

    https://www.newsweek.com/veterans-cr...ng-war-1470582
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    "There’s little in this world that has the emotional manipulative power of a good tribalized — us versus them — narrative. It’s a contagion, and thanks to social media, or “participatory propaganda,” highly viral."

    "Believing in conspiracy theories is a psychological construct for people to take back some semblance of control in their lives. It inflates their sense of importance. It makes them feel they have access to “special knowledge” that the rest of the world is “too blind,” “too dumb” or “too corrupt” to understand."


    "I can explain the art and purpose behind throwing a Purple Heart veteran under the Fox News bus. First, we must talk about narratives. In my time at Fox News, narratives were weapons of mass emotional manipulation, what the Nobel laureate Robert J. Shiller defines in “Narrative Economics” as “contagious stories” — as he put it in a paper of the same name, “a simple story or easily expressed explanation of events that many people want to bring up in conversation or on news or social media because it can be used to stimulate the concerns or emotions of others, and/or because it appears to advance self-interest.” One recent report said that we find information or misinformation “22 times more memorable in narrative form.”"


    'Why Fox News Slimed a Purple Heart Recipient - As a former talk-show guest host on the channel, I can explain the art and purpose behind attacking Colonel Vindman.'

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/22/o...fox-news-.html

    Articles linked in OP

    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-03084-4

    and this:

    "The human brain has always been highly tuned towards narratives, whether factual or not, to justify ongoing actions, even such basic actions as spending and investing. Stories motivate and connect activities to deeply felt values and needs. Narratives “go viral” and spread far, even worldwide, with economic impact. The 1920-21 Depression, the Great Depression of the 1930s, the so-called “Great Recession” of 2007-9 and the contentious political economic situation of today, are considered as the results of the popular narratives of their respective times. Though these narratives are deeply human phenomena that are difficult to study in a scientific manner, quantitative analysis may help us gain a better understanding of these epidemics in the future."

    Robert J. Shiller Sterling Professor of Economics and Professor of Finance

    https://cowles.yale.edu/sites/defaul.../d20/d2069.pdf
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