Was Hiroshima an act of terrorism?

[Doc Dutch]

As you know, everyone who wasn't on Hitler's side back then was denounced and silenced by McCarthy, and no-one has dared speak honestly since.

What does that have to do with your lie about me? Disagreed. Lots of people speak up, just not always enough. Eventually Hitler and McCarthy were stopped.

[Iolo/Penderyn]

What does that have to do with your lie about me? Disagreed. Lots of people speak up, just not always enough. Eventually Hitler and McCarthy were stopped.

Hitler was finished as Stalingrad. I've yet to learn of any defeat for McCarthyism except a cosmetic one. A very high proportion of Americans now remind me of the Stalinists I used to argue with, who were also mostly well-meaning people only allowed a narrow view of reality.

[Doc Dutch]

|Hitler was finished as Stalingrad. I've yet to learn of any defeat for McCarthyism except a cosmetic one. A very high proportion of Americans now remind me of the Stalinists I used to argue with, who were also mostly well-meaning people only allowed a narrow view of reality.

How does any of that justify your lie about me?

[Cypress]

Really? About two dozen? Who are the other 24ish?

Not "the Russian people". Just the Politburo with Stalin at the podium. A small nuke would be fine.

If goal has been walked back to a mere assassination attempt, I would think there are more effective, and even less traceable ways, to execute a foreign leader, than dropping a nuclear weapon on Moscow

[Doc Dutch]

If goal has been walked back to a mere assassination attempt, I would think there are more effective, and even less traceable ways, to execute a foreign leader, than dropping a nuclear weapon on Moscow

Not just an assassination attempt but to take down a threat to world peace.....or do you think the Cold War was peaceful?

[Iolo/Penderyn]

How does any of that justify your lie about me?

I never lie, tho I sometimes overstate.. What do you think was untrue then?

[Doc Dutch]

I never lie, tho I sometimes overstate.. What do you think was untrue then?

Is that what you call this, an overstatement?:

Your kind hated Jews while your Great Model ruled Germany, and you use zionist racism to pretend you've changed.

I call it a bald faced lie

[Iolo/Penderyn]

Is that what you call this, an overstatement?:I call it a bald faced lie

In my experience, all non-Jews who support 'Israel' belong to political movements - the American Republicans and such - which were at least sympathetic to Nazism, and have parents or grandparents who were anti-semetic, In this Valley, we remember what you did to the greatest American so far, our friend Paul Robeson. Did your family do anything to support him? I'd use that as a good basis for judgement.

[Cypress]

Not just an assassination attempt but to take down a threat to world peace.....or do you think the Cold War was peaceful?

I think Stalin was one of history's great criminals, and that people in the USSR and in the immediate geographic Soviet sphere of influence were the primary victims of Stalin's abuses and crimes.

The United States was never at risk of invasion and occupation by Soviet armed forces.

We successfully contained totalitarian communism, without resorting to a nuclear holocaust. I am frankly surprised any reasonable person would suggest we should have abandoned the reasonably successful policy of containment for a policy of open thermonuclear warfare.

Sidebar: I have always liked to believe Stalin was assassinated by Beria and collaborators in the politbureau - but I have no proof of it

[Micawber]

I try to avoid text walls so will just touch on the bolded: There's a clear difference between "killing civilians" and targeting civilians. It's clearly wrong, post-WWII, to target civilians. Even during and previous to WWII many thought it wrong, but the situation became either do it or lose the war to the fascists.

Trying to equate past wrongs with present wrongs means we've learned nothing and everything is justified. Bringing up Romans enslaving Germans or the Yankee treatment of Native Americans just muddies the waters when it comes to WWII or present-day Israel.

What about this part: if all parties have to adhere to the rules, the little guy never wins. That's quite nearly axiomatic. After all, it is the winners who write the next set of rules.
So it is always a rigged game.

[moon]

Nuke-heads are insane. They're not all in psychiatric wards because there are so many of them.

[Micawber]

I think Stalin was one of history's great criminals, and that people in the USSR and in the immediate geographic Soviet sphere of influence were the primary victims of Stalin's abuses and crimes.

The United States was never at risk of invasion and occupation by Soviet armed forces.

We successfully contained totalitarian communism, without resorting to a nuclear holocaust. I am frankly surprised any reasonable person would suggest we should have abandoned the reasonably successful policy of containment for a policy of open thermonuclear warfare.

Sidebar: I have always liked to believe Stalin was assassinated by Beria and collaborators in the politbureau - but I have no proof of it

What about self determination? Communism is popular, and not just because of the Soviets.

[Micawber]

In my experience, all non-Jews who support 'Israel' belong to political movements - the American Republicans and such - which were at least sympathetic to Nazism, and have parents or grandparents who were anti-semetic, In this Valley, we remember what you did to the greatest American so far, our friend Paul Robeson. Did your family do anything to support him? I'd use that as a good basis for judgement.

Robeson: What an interesting person you plucked out.

[Cypress]

What about self determination? Communism is popular, and not just because of the Soviets.

The one and only time Soviet communism was put to a vote in the 1918 elections to the constituent assembly, the Russian people overwhelmingly voted for democratic socialists and liberal political parties over the Bolsheviks.

That is why the Bolsheviks forcibly took power, and disbanded the constituent assembly: the Russian people decisively voted against them.

[Micawber]

The one and only time Soviet communism was put to a vote in the 1918 elections to the constituent assembly, the Russian people overwhelmingly voted for democratic socialist and liberal parties over the Bolsheviks.

That is why the Bolsheviks forcibly took power, and disbanded the constituent assembly: the Russian people decisively voted against them.

Sure I'm aware of the white/red distinction and Trotsky v Lenin. I was speaking more globally. South America, Cuba, China, Vietnam, Africa....
It's not solely a colonial domino theory propagation thing. And our motives aren't pure, freedom can be code for mercantile capitalism that can't thrive
in communist governments.