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    Quote Originally Posted by Thing1 View Post
    Pretty sad commentary, though.

    I really can't believe that this is what it has come to - choosing between 2 candidates who have historically ridiculous negative ratings.

    It should be a wake-up call. The process is broken. We just don't attract the best & brightest to run for high office; you have to be a little crazy to do so, the way it's currently set up.
    Its only sad if you have much respect for "popular opinion", which I don't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thing1 View Post
    It's a good point, but I can't think of a parallel to that when it comes to the national election. The results in November could favor Trump's sales skills over Hillary's political know-how.
    There's all sorts of precedents. You just have to go back to the time when conventions actually meant something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    I guess I am very naturally suspicious of "sales skills". I am always shocked by people who I thought were relatively intelligent falling for sales people.
    Do you believe you never fall for a sales pitch?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    It does appear that in some circumstances the Cruz campaign is better at The Art of the Deal.
    It does indeed. Thank the lord Cruz is about as likable as a gila monster with rabies and has the personality of an unsalted cracker cause he's the only candidate that really scares me. Fortunately despite all his machinations he has no chance. There's a good likely hood now that Trump will pull off the numbers he needs and if it goes to the convention if Trump doesn't win on the first round Kasich will in subsequent rounds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    Do you believe you never fall for a sales pitch?
    I am sure I have, but very rarely. I am very suspicious of any sales pitch. I teach my kids about how evil advertising can be, and we discuss the fallacies in television commercials all the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    I guess I am very naturally suspicious of "sales skills". I am always shocked by people who I thought were relatively intelligent falling for sales people.
    Exactly but I said something similar when the Shrub was running. The American public couldn't be that stupid. He's all hat and no cattle....then the Dems nominated Gore.

    I mean it's obvious to me that virtually every promise Trump makes is a cynical sales pitch. Yesterday he was telling people in Indiana he was going to bring back the steel business big time. I and about 100 million other people would like to know how the hell he's going to do that? It showed a complete ignorance of the steel business but people buy his sales pitch in droves.

    It all goes back to what H.L. Mencken said about the American public.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    Thing I've told you a million times to stop exaggerating.

    The process is working the way it was intended too. Just because we don't like the people who are using the process doesn't mean it's broken.
    I really don't think it's an exaggeration. America has some real issues going on right now, and we have 2 incredibly flawed candidates to choose from. Hillary wouldn't be near the presidency if not for her last name, and Trump is the classic con man.

    Most elections in my lifetime have been characterized by the phrase "lesser of 2 evils." Who in their right mind wants to drag their family through the process as it currently stands? We don't attract the best people to the highest office - or even anything close to it. There are probably a dozen people in my town that could do a better job as President than either Trump or Hillary. We need intelligence & new ideas, and we always get name recognition and personality instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thing1 View Post
    Hillary is not a strong candidate. After predicting that Trump wouldn't make it since last summer, there is no way I'd say that he can't win the general.

    He is better than anyone when it comes to marginalizing an opponent. I would not want to be Hillary in the next 6 months...
    I think it was in my last Trump post where I said he needed three things to happen to win the general: become more statesman like and stay away from Twitter; go after Hillary like he did Rubio; and use his persuasion talents with minorities---especially blacks.

    Of the three, the middle should be easiest since Hillary's record is pretty vulnerable. Personally, I think he can persuade enough blacks to cross over. The hardest part will be controlling himself.

    But if he does all three I think Trump has a good chance. If not, Kasich becomes the best hope in the convention.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    Do you believe you never fall for a sales pitch?
    No...and that's why I'm extremely leery around a succesful Sales men. These guys are good. They know what they are doing. They know the human psychology behind selling and they know how to manipulate your behavior and your ego to achieve a desired end. Some just wear you down. Others charm you into letting your guard down and some lead you like a pony without your even realizing it. I respect talented salesmen and appreciate how hard their job really is but I'm always on guard around them cause I know what they are. Master manipulators.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thing1 View Post
    I really don't think it's an exaggeration. America has some real issues going on right now, and we have 2 incredibly flawed candidates to choose from. Hillary wouldn't be near the presidency if not for her last name, and Trump is the classic con man.

    Most elections in my lifetime have been characterized by the phrase "lesser of 2 evils." Who in their right mind wants to drag their family through the process as it currently stands? We don't attract the best people to the highest office - or even anything close to it. There are probably a dozen people in my town that could do a better job as President than either Trump or Hillary. We need intelligence & new ideas, and we always get name recognition and personality instead.
    NO, the people in your town could not, because they do not have the experience and knowledge about how Washington works. You have to know something about Washington and world politics or you will get eaten up. Now had the good people in your town gotten some Washington and world wide experience they likely would do a better job. And the problem is that the good people in your town don't go into that arena and don't get that type of experience and we need to change that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Hussein Omar View Post
    I think it was in my last Trump post where I said he needed three things to happen to win the general: become more statesman like and stay away from Twitter; go after Hillary like he did Rubio; and use his persuasion talents with minorities---especially blacks.

    Of the three, the middle should be easiest since Hillary's record is pretty vulnerable. Personally, I think he can persuade enough blacks to cross over. The hardest part will be controlling himself.

    But if he does all three I think Trump has a good chance. If not, Kasich becomes the best hope in the convention.

    How does he go after Hillary like he did Rubio while becoming more statesman like at the same time. Those two things are mutually exclusive.... Attacking an opponent by making fun of his height is not statesmanlike. Bullying an opponent with a nickname like "little Marco" is not statesmanlike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    I am sure I have, but very rarely. I am very suspicious of any sales pitch. I teach my kids about how evil advertising can be, and we discuss the fallacies in television commercials all the time.
    Good for you but your prone to be had by one cause it appears to me you underestimate their skills. I work with some real good ones. Honest, ethical, trustworthy and reliable partners in managing your vendor and supply needs. Those are the ones you really have to watch out for. LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    funny how racists don't think being a racist and insulting every latino voter matters
    Trump won't get the latino vote, but there are other coalitions he could put together, and I agree w/the general thought that he brings other states into play for the GOP.

    The conventional wisdom is that any candidate now needs the latino vote to win a general - but conventional wisdom has been proven wrong already in this campaign, a lot.

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