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Thread: How is that $15/hour minimum wage working out Seattle?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    you should stay out of this argument till you finish your GED, stoner.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by CFM View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
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    Your claims are more proof that you're a dumbass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CFM View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by CFM View Post
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    Did your boyfriend teach you that

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    Dear CFM:

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    It's called paying someone what their skills are worth. You talk about social inequality and poverty yet seem to be saying businesses/capitalism are the causes of it.
    I don't recall talking about social inequality and poverty other than to to note Robert Gordon's observations.

    Sample of his work here:

    Of course Capitalism causes social inequality. Social inequality is so integral to Capitalism that an exponent would more likely argue that inequality is the natural order of things. What intelligent, erudite capitalist ever made a case for social equality? In fact, no socialist I [at least] know argues that the professor of medicine and the ditch digger should take home the same pay.

    Now we could ask questions about what or who determines the worth of someone's skills. We could ask what objective validity that premise has, and what exactly makes it so. Or on what basis is the decision of the worth of a particular skill set determined. We could ask what 'makes' that so and exactly why are we supposed to believe the answer. But this really isn't the point being made by 'G-Force' [Prof Gordon] or myself. His point is that economic stagnation, expanding social inequality and poverty are now a permanent state of being for the US. This has huge import for the future. But while not unconcerned with that, my interest lies in another direction...

    I suggest that the $2 dollar an hour --> $1 a day sliding pay scale IS an inevitable result of Capitalism for the ditch digger AND the professor of medicine. Now understand, CFM, that I'm employing hyperbole here. But the principle [my real concern in all this] is sound enough, as is evidenced by the butchering of pay for US autoworkers who are highly skilled professionals.

    The issue is that in a competitive environment, the profit requirement demands downward pressure on wages that is relentless and has no bottom floor. Each concession from workers sets the stage for the next attack on wages. It is THAT reality which competitive capitalism cannot evade. Competitive Capitalism can tolerate NO mechanism to halt the destruction of wages. Ultimately then, it becomes Capitalism itself which necessitates socialism.

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    Last edited by IMT; 02-24-2016 at 11:13 AM. Reason: Improve sentence construction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    Did your boyfriend teach you that
    It's that obvious with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IMT View Post
    Dear CFM:



    I don't recall talking about social inequality and poverty other than to to note Robert Gordon's observations.

    Sample of his work here:

    Of course Capitalism causes social inequality. Social inequality is so integral to Capitalism that an exponent would more likely argue that inequality is the natural order of things. What intelligent, erudite capitalist ever made a case for social equality? In fact, no socialist I [at least] know argues that the professor of medicine and the ditch digger should take home the same pay.

    Now we could ask questions about what or who determines the worth of someone's skills. We could ask what objective validity that premise has, and what exactly makes it so. Or on what basis is the decision of the worth of a particular skill set determined. We could ask what 'makes' that so and exactly why are we supposed to believe the answer. But this really isn't the point being made by 'G-Force' [Prof Gordon] or myself. His point is that economic stagnation, expanding social inequality and poverty are now a permanent state of being for the US. This has huge import for the future. But while not unconcerned with that, my interest lies in another direction...

    I suggest that the $2 dollar an hour --> $1 a day sliding pay scale IS an inevitable result of Capitalism for the ditch digger AND the professor of medicine. Now understand, CFM, that I'm employing hyperbole here. But the principle [my real concern in all this] is sound enough, as is evidenced by the butchering of pay for US autoworkers who are highly skilled professionals.

    The issue is that in a competitive environment, the profit requirement demands downward pressure on wages that is relentless and has no bottom floor. Each concession from workers sets the stage for the next attack on wages. It is THAT reality which competitive capitalism cannot evade. Competitive Capitalism can tolerate NO mechanism to halt the destruction of wages. Ultimately then, it becomes Capitalism itself which necessitates socialism.

    IMT

    Social inequality results from differences in skills/abilities. Some people offer high level skills and get paid accordingly. They are the ones that took it upon themselves and did something to better themselves. Some people offer such low level skills the government has to force an employer to pay them a minimum wage despite their skills being worth less than that. They are the ones that have done nothing to improve what they offer and now expect the taxpayers to take care of them and business to be forced to pay them a higher wage than what they offer iOS worth. Over time, those with skills grow in the their wages while those offering little to nothing don't.

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    Dear CFM:

    Quote Originally Posted by CFM View Post
    Social inequality results from differences in skills/abilities.
    Is that a premise or is it a conclusion? If it is a conclusion, what premises make it true? If it is a premise, why ought I to believe it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by IMT View Post
    Dear CFM:



    Is that a premise or is it a conclusion? If it is a conclusion, what premises make it true? If it is a premise, why ought I to believe it?



    IMT
    You pick smartass


    I don't care if you believe it. That never has, nor ever will be a requirement for what I said to be true. You seem to think that your agreement is necessary for it to be true. How sad from such an arrogant asshole like you.

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    Dear CFM:

    You stated that 'social inequality results from differences in skills/abilities.'

    I merely ask if there are any compelling reasons for which that is to be believed.

    Why not give it another crack!

    IMT

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    Quote Originally Posted by I Love America View Post
    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/...ut_for_ya.html

    a) the city’s employment has fallen by more than 11,000,
    b) the number of unemployed workers has risen by nearly 5,000, and c) the city’s jobless rate has increased by more than 1 percentage point (all based on BLS’s “not seasonally adjusted basis”). Those figures are based on employment data for the city of Seattle only (not the Seattle MSA or MD), and are available from the BLS website here (data are “not seasonally adjusted”).


    Now I am sure that the left wingers who think that private property is a bad thing will chastise the business owners for not wanting to forcibly have their labor costs increase by 61% without a commensurate increase in output or profit. When I hear lefties say things like "healthcare shouldn't have profit" it shows a complete lack of understanding of economics and the kind of intellectual prowess one would expect from a five year old.

    I also know that the left wingers will just discount this because of the source even though the data comes straight from the Bureau of Labor and Statistics.
    THIS!

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    I make more in dividends than your dogsshit salary
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    And I bet your Internet penis is two feet long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IMT View Post
    Dear CFM:

    You stated that 'social inequality results from differences in skills/abilities.'

    I merely ask if there are any compelling reasons for which that is to be believed.

    Why not give it another crack!

    IMT
    First, you tell me what you call social inequality.

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