No one has a right to healthcare

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No One Has a Right to Health Care
by Jacob G. Hornberger February 3, 2016

Democratic Presidential candidate Bernie Sanders says that everyone has a right to health care. Unfortunately, none of his presidential opponents, Democrat or Republican, is going to challenge him on the point. They’re too scared that they’d lose votes by challenging a standard socialist shibboleth in America.

Sanders’ assertion only goes to show how American socialists (i.e., progressives) have warped and perverted the concept of rights within the minds of the American people. The fact is that no one has a right to health care any more than he has a right to a home, a car, food, spouse, or anything else.

The correct concept of rights was enunciated by Thomas Jefferson in the Declaration of Independence, the document that Americans ironically celebrate every Fourth of July. Jefferson observed that people have been endowed with certain unalienable rights, among which are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

http://fff.org/2016/02/03/no-one-has...o-health-care/

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No One Has a Right to Health Care
by Jacob G. Hornberger February 3, 2016

Democratic Presidential candidate Bernie Sanders says that everyone has a right to health care. Unfortunately, none of his presidential opponents, Democrat or Republican, is going to challenge him on the point. They’re too scared that they’d lose votes by challenging a standard socialist shibboleth in America.

Sanders’ assertion only goes to show how American socialists (i.e., progressives) have warped and perverted the concept of rights within the minds of the American people. The fact is that no one has a right to health care any more than he has a right to a home, a car, food, spouse, or anything else.

The correct concept of rights was enunciated by Thomas Jefferson in the Declaration of Independence, the document that Americans ironically celebrate every Fourth of July. Jefferson observed that people have been endowed with certain unalienable rights, among which are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

http://fff.org/2016/02/03/no-one-has...o-health-care/

Healthcare is a subset of the right to life and happiness.

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Healthcare is a subset of the right to life and happiness.

Even if someone else's right to happiness is being denied by being forced to fund it?

[Phantasmal]

Even if someone else's right to happiness is being denied by being forced to fund it?

Lol, I am sorry helping others makes you miserable.

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Lol, I am sorry helping others makes you miserable.

Being forced to do it is the problem. I don't have a problem helping those for whom I'VE determined need it. My problem is with people like you thinking it's your place to make that determination for me.

So sad you equate help and a mandate. Help involves a willing choice by the giver not a mandate by the taker. You morons think compassion comes from seeing how many others you can have forced to fund what you won't do yourselves. The government doesn't have to be involved. You WANT them to because you aren't willing to do it yourselves. If you think someone else deserves it, pay their premium. Problem solved. The person you say deserves it gets it and others aren't forced to do it your way. We both know you won't.

[Phantasmal]

Being forced to do it is the problem. I don't have a problem helping those for whom I'VE determined need it. My problem is with people like you thinking it's your place to make that determination for me.

So sad you equate help and a mandate. Help involves a willing choice by the giver not a mandate by the taker. You morons think compassion comes from seeing how many others you can have forced to fund what you won't do yourselves. The government doesn't have to be involved. You WANT them to because you aren't willing to do it yourselves. If you think someone else deserves it, pay their premium. Problem solved. The person you say deserves it gets it and others aren't forced to do it your way. We both know you won't.

That's not how we do things in this country and people like yourself usually end up benefitting from our system as well at some point. Smile one of these days you will be grateful

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That's not how we do things in this country and people like yourself usually end up benefitting from our system as well at some point. Smile one of these days you will be grateful

How do I benefit from someone not supporting their own kids or their own family? I'll be grateful when the freeloaders who demand everything they want as a right start doing for themselves what they should be doing for themselves.

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Healthcare is a subset of the right to life and happiness.

No it isn't.


That's just plain socialist BULLSHIT.

Jefferson would spit on you for saying that.

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No it isn't.


That's just plain socialist BULLSHIT.

Jefferson would spit on you for saying that.

Notice that Rana conveniently leaves out part of that. It's a right to PURSUE happiness not a right TO happiness. That's how bleeding hearts operate.

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Healthcare is a subset of the right to life and happiness.

They don't have a right TO happiness just the PURSUIT of it. In that pursuit, they can deny someone else the right to PURSUE happiness. When more of what I'VE earned is taken away to fund someone else's pursuit, it lessens my ability to pursue it and that is unacceptable.

[Stelakh]

How do I benefit from someone not supporting their own kids or their own family? I'll be grateful when the freeloaders who demand everything they want as a right start doing for themselves what they should be doing for themselves.

Really? That's your take?

A friend of mine, who lives in upstate New York, couldn't afford insurance. He and his wife both work two jobs. They have no children.

Before the Affordable Care Act, they had two options: A roof over their head, electricity and food in the fridge, or healthcare (because their employers didn't offer it).

What do you say about people like that, who actually are working long hours in two jobs to make ends meet, but couldn't afford the outrageous costs of healthcare?

Are you really THAT isolated and blind that you're not aware there are people in that kind of situation?

[Stelakh]

No One Has a Right to Health Care
by Jacob G. Hornberger February 3, 2016

Democratic Presidential candidate Bernie Sanders says that everyone has a right to health care. Unfortunately, none of his presidential opponents, Democrat or Republican, is going to challenge him on the point. They’re too scared that they’d lose votes by challenging a standard socialist shibboleth in America.

Sanders’ assertion only goes to show how American socialists (i.e., progressives) have warped and perverted the concept of rights within the minds of the American people. The fact is that no one has a right to health care any more than he has a right to a home, a car, food, spouse, or anything else.

The correct concept of rights was enunciated by Thomas Jefferson in the Declaration of Independence, the document that Americans ironically celebrate every Fourth of July. Jefferson observed that people have been endowed with certain unalienable rights, among which are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

http://fff.org/2016/02/03/no-one-has...o-health-care/

The Constitution includes a reference to unenumerated rights.

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Really? That's your take?

A friend of mine, who lives in upstate New York, couldn't afford insurance. He and his wife both work two jobs. They have no children.

Before the Affordable Care Act, they had two options: A roof over their head, electricity and food in the fridge, or healthcare (because their employers didn't offer it).

What do you say about people like that, who actually are working long hours in two jobs to make ends meet, but couldn't afford the outrageous costs of healthcare?

Are you really THAT isolated and blind that you're not aware there are people in that kind of situation?

I'm fully aware of people in that kind of situation. However, you've provided enough information for me to determine that there is a 3rd option you bleeding hearts totally ignore that would satisfy both of us. Those you think deserve what they can't afford would have it and I wouldn't be one of those forced to pay for it.

The option is since they're YOUR friend and YOU think they should have something they can't afford, YOU pay their premiums. They have coverage which is what you want and no taxpayer is forced to subsidize it for them which is what I want.

Deal?

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The Constitution includes a reference to unenumerated rights.

Compassion for YOUR friends comes from YOU helping them when they're in need not from demanding the rest of us be forced to provide to YOUR friends what you won't provide to them.

Something doesn't become a right because those unable to afford it wants it and demands taxpayers hand it to them. As for your friends whose employer doesn't provide healthcare all I can say is, NOT MY PROBLEM. Here's a novel idea. Find a new employer. I know that would involve an effort. However, if people who demand something would spend half as much time trying to do better for themselves as they spent whining about how someone owes them something, it wouldn't be an issue.

[Stelakh]

I'm fully aware of people in that kind of situation. However, you've provided enough information for me to determine that there is a 3rd option you bleeding hearts totally ignore that would satisfy both of us. Those you think deserve what they can't afford would have it and I wouldn't be one of those forced to pay for it.

The option is since they're YOUR friend and YOU think they should have something they can't afford, YOU pay their premiums. They have coverage which is what you want and no taxpayer is forced to subsidize it for them which is what I want.

Deal?

You're not digging yourself out of a hole with that one.

And what if I couldn't afford to pay their premiums but a couple million people could?

I mind people who want handouts but are freeloading. I have no trouble, however, helping those who NEED help and are NOT freeloading.

Let's say there's a diabetic who can't afford insulin (because despite it having been used for a VERY long time the cost is kept high by manufacturers (my sister's is $343.00 a vial and she goes through a vial every 2 days and fortunately has damned good insurance)). They can't afford the high cost, but a group of people who would wind up giving pennies per paycheck could help ensure that person has the insulin they need to survive.

I have no trouble helping that person even though I never spoke to them, laid eyes on them, or know who they are. Because we all need help at some point, some time, somewhere. And who am I to damn someone to a life of illness and misery if I can afford to help without killing my own financial bottom line?

If THAT is your definition of "bleeding heart," I'll gladly accept it - because I believe people are more important.