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    Truth Detector, no more comments on quotations? This thread has had lots of views which is a positive, but as I watch foreign companies build here after they receive tax incentives and fight unions I wonder if Americans wonder in their worship of the free market what it is doing to their work and their nation's financial situation. The Guardian is an excellent media source check it out.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...bernie-sanders


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    Interesting that unlike the right wing, the left in America is a more diverse group. This is a plus for freedom of the individual but it hurts the work to accomplish a more perfect union. The idea of voting for the lesser of two ? would have elected Hillary but the right wing show values and ideas, along with religious diversity don't matter to them. See the socialists and comments on voting below.

    "Should we support progressive Democrats? We should only if they make clear their opposition to American imperialism, their criticisms of the financial and corporate system, their refusal to accept corporate money, or to accept any support from corporate Democrats, their financial networks, and their PACs. We should, of course, also support candidates who run as open socialists in the Democratic Party or in some cases outside of the Democratic Party. Or we might support Green Party or other independent candidacies."

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    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    Truth Detector, no more comments on quotations? This thread has had lots of views which is a positive, but as I watch foreign companies build here after they receive tax incentives and fight unions I wonder if Americans wonder in their worship of the free market what it is doing to their work and their nation's financial situation. The Guardian is an excellent media source check it out.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...bernie-sanders

    "With all their faults, trade unions have done more for humanity than any other organization of men that ever existed." Clarence Darrow
    I am always fascinated by one-sided arguments suggesting that unions do not "fight" the corporations.

    Yet, without those corporations many would be living in mud huts and hunting and gathering. Why does the misguided lying left stupidly think that corporations are so evil, yet so gullibly willing to become dependent wards of the faceless bureaucratic State enterprise?
    "When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."


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    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    Interesting that unlike the right wing, the left in America is a more diverse group.
    Diversity means NOTHING when it comes hiring time and finding the best person for the job. I am amused by the economic naiveté' that argues that one must have diversity rather than the best qualified. Such stupidity obviously comes from idiots who have never owned a company or had to meet a payroll.

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    This is a plus for freedom of the individual but it hurts the work to accomplish a more perfect union. The idea of voting for the lesser of two ? would have elected Hillary but the right wing show values and ideas, along with religious diversity don't matter to them. See the socialists and comments on voting below.
    WTF does the above screed even mean? Let me guess, you're still smarting over the fact that Trump won.

    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    "Should we support progressive Democrats? We should only if they make clear their opposition to American imperialism,
    Another moronic leftist screed; that America is somehow an "imperialistic" nation. I have to hand it to you Comrade Midcan, you have those dimwitted Marxist talking points memorized. You are a brilliant illustration of the failure of the western educational establishment.

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    their criticisms of the financial and corporate system, their refusal to accept corporate money, or to accept any support from corporate Democrats, their financial networks, and their PACs. We should, of course, also support candidates who run as open socialists in the Democratic Party or in some cases outside of the Democratic Party. Or we might support Green Party or other independent candidacies."
    The biggest money grubbers on the planet are Socialists. I am amused that you cannot comprehend the OBVIOUS.
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    There was a time when American corporations worked for and with their employees and not simply the bottom line. Truth Detector lives the free market religion, a religion that is failing the middle class as statistics demonstrate now for many years. But debating with ideologues is a useless venture, their ideas are grounded in abstract BS. I am glad this thread has gotten a lot of reads. Others may garner a bit of knowledge from the discussion.

    I've mentioned Jane Mayer often for her well documented book 'Dark Money', she writes for the New Yorker, an excellent magazine. See this piece and watch the video, it is funny and reminds me of America today. Love the socialism quote. One word comes to manage the mind. Ironically one of the writers of the movie is a Trump supporter.

    'The Reclusive Hedge-Fund Tycoon Behind the Trump Presidency'

    http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/20...ump-presidency


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    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    A fascinating and interesting critique of economics today, left and right. Most will not read it as it is long and well argued. Its argument goes against the narratives so deeply held by libertarians, the right, and much of the left. Venture in if you dare.

    An emotional cycle that repeats itself....

    "(1) anger at right-wing government precedes (2) hope in a new Left and (3) election of a new government; (4) disgust at that government’s compromises gives way to (5) protest at betrayals, leading to (6) refusal to vote which produces (1) anger at right-wing government."

    "The problem was that neither Obama nor Occupy was able to give the idea of fraternity any real substance. For Obama, it seemed to imply campaign contributions; for Occupy, endless discussions. Neither could connect it to the imperatives of our changing economic climate or to the day-to-day decisions and actions that together constitute society. This, not their idealism, was their failing. If fraternity is to be more than a utopian fantasy or a pious palliative, it will need to find expression in an ethic that can be lived out in everyday life, in institutions that are within our grasp, in a vision of a future radically better than the present yet recognizably rooted in its conditions."

    See more at: http://thepointmag.com/2012/politics...sm-can-believe


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    Quote Originally Posted by chink View Post
    “Socialism requires an authority capable of bending the knees of the people to the will of the state,” .

    "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it".TS
    Spot on; but don't expect intellectually challenged liberals to comprehend the OBVIOUS.
    "When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."


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    Quote Originally Posted by ZappasGuitar View Post
    You know what else destroys a persons desire to do their best?

    Nepotism...a cornerstone of the "free market" system.

    A person works and works and works and busts their butt night after night after night.

    They work nights and weekends and holidays and WHENEVER is necessary in order to shine, and their boss gives the promotion to the CEO's nephew.
    Large state-owned behemoths need to have boards of directors appointed by the state, and as those large financial beasts lumber along, with all their subsidiaries, each requires connections with the state bureaucracy to secure lucrative contracts. Lack of competition breeds the need to be connected to the state, rather than to simply be better at doing business.

    It is in this way that socialism breeds nepotism, because people in the employ of the state appoint their friends and relatives to positions that the state has influence over.

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