What about Christian correctness at conservative colleges?

[christiefan915]

The author makes some great points. Speech isn't necessarily free at con institutes of learning. Some clips from the article...

Political correctness may run amok at liberal colleges, but what about Christian correctness at conservative colleges?

Trigger warnings, safe spaces, micro-aggressions — over the past year or so, pundits, politicians and other serious people had a lot of fun bemoaning academia as a liberal la-la land where hands are held and minds are coddled...

Attacks on “political correctness” champion educational values: the importance of grappling with challenging ideas and texts, mixing it up with different kinds of people, expanding your worldview, facing uncomfortable facts. How will students grow into strong, independent adults in a tough and complex world if they’ve spent four years lying on a mental fainting couch? Good question. There’s a whole swath of academia, though, that gets left out of the discussion, despite the fact that its restrictions on speech and behavior, on what is taught in the classroom or argued in a lecture series, would make Yale and Northwestern and the rest look like New Orleans during Mardi Gras.

I’m referring, of course, to evangelical and Catholic colleges. Some of these have no compunction about limiting freedoms that other colleges consider just a part of normal life. Many have strictures on dress (“no more than two piercings in an earlobe are allowed” for women at Pensacola Christian College), on dating and social life, even on how faculty members conduct themselves in their own homes...

Students have been expelled for being LGBT; professors have been fired or forced to resign for coming out as transgender, for getting pregnant outside marriage or for getting divorced. According to a report by the Human Rights Campaign, there was a sharp uptick last year in the number of schools that requested and received exemptions to Title IX, the federal law prohibiting sex discrimination. From 2013 to 2015, 35 schools obtained waivers from the U.S. Department of Education that would allow them to discriminate against students and faculty who are LGBT, female or pregnant.

Religious colleges also have plenty of restrictions on intellectual inquiry and debate, as well as on political associations. Student clubs for nonbelievers can be restricted: The University of Dayton, Notre Dame and Baylor, all religious schools, refused requests to recognize atheist or humanist student organizations. In 2009, Liberty University even banned the student Democratic club. (University president Jerry Falwell Jr. recently made headlines for calling on students to “end those Muslims” by carrying concealed weapons.)

Conservatives stood up for free speech at Yale in 2015 when students protested a lecture invitation to Ayaan Hirsi Ali, a critic of Islam, from the conservative William F. Buckley Jr. Program speaker series. I agreed with conservatives on this one — but where are they when the shoe is on the other foot? Catholic colleges, for example, will not invite supporters of abortion rights: The Catholic University of America even banned the actor Stanley Tucci from speaking on Italian cinema because of his support for Planned Parenthood...

When it comes to academic content, it’s hard to argue that a college that makes faculty adhere to Christian fundamentalist tenets, or that refuses to let its students engage with pro-choice speakers even when they’re talking on another subject, is providing an intellectual toolbox for the modern world...

If students are being denied a broad, mind-stretching education at universities often considered among the best in the world, what about the biased, blinkered, partial education that students are receiving at religious colleges? What about the assumption that no changing of the mind shall be permitted? Isn’t education supposed to challenge one’s settled beliefs?

And with Title IX exemptions in hand, colleges are free to ban and expel LGBT students, discriminate against women, use the Bible as a science text and fire professors who disagree — without putting their federal funding at risk. The truth-in-advertising principle may protect the right of private colleges to do this. But the last time I looked, separation of church and state was still in the Bill of Rights.

(Article here)

[Celticguy]

The author specifically notes that the schools on question are christian institutions then attempts to move the goal posts by transforming them into conservative ones.
It is hardly surprising that christian schools will adhere to their tenants. Its kinda what makes them christian schools.

[christiefan915]

The author specifically notes that the schools on question are christian institutions then attempts to move the goal posts by transforming them into conservative ones.
It is hardly surprising that christian schools will adhere to their tenants. Its kinda what makes them christian schools.

I don't know of any liberal Christian schools, do you? And your second comment is exactly the point, that those schools are not allowing free speech because of all their prohibitions.

[USFREEDOM911]

I don't know of any liberal Christian schools, do you? And your second comment is exactly the point, that those schools are not allowing free speech because of all their prohibitions.

Your analogy is as foolish, as someone buying a ticket to Shrek 3 and expecting to see Star Wars 7; ie.: it's a failure and has no standing.

[Celticguy]

I don't know of any liberal Christian schools, do you? And your second comment is exactly the point, that those schools are not allowing free speech because of all their prohibitions.

Christian schools are neither conservative nor liberal. They are christian.
Do they make it clear they are christian schools ? Is there any expectation of what you think there should be ? By the way being lgbteieio has nothing to do with speech. Free or otherwise.

[christiefan915]

Christian schools are neither conservative nor liberal. They are christian.
Do they make it clear they are christian schools ? Is there any expectation of what you think there should be ? By the way being lgbteieio has nothing to do with speech. Free or otherwise.

The author named Christian schools with conservative policies. He pointed out the areas in which free speech isn't allowed... the kind of speech that liberal schools permit. It's all in the article.

"Religious colleges also have plenty of restrictions on intellectual inquiry and debate, as well as on political associations. Student clubs for nonbelievers can be restricted: The University of Dayton, Notre Dame and Baylor, all religious schools, refused requests to recognize atheist or humanist student organizations. In 2009, Liberty University even banned the student Democratic club. (University president Jerry Falwell Jr. recently made headlines for calling on students to “end those Muslims” by carrying concealed weapons.)"

[Celticguy]

The author named Christian schools with conservative policies. He pointed out the areas in which free speech isn't allowed... the kind of speech that liberal schools permit. It's all in the article.

"Religious colleges also have plenty of restrictions on intellectual inquiry and debate, as well as on political associations. Student clubs for nonbelievers can be restricted: The University of Dayton, Notre Dame and Baylor, all religious schools, refused requests to recognize atheist or humanist student organizations. In 2009, Liberty University even banned the student Democratic club. (University president Jerry Falwell Jr. recently made headlines for calling on students to “end those Muslims” by carrying concealed weapons.)"

And ?
Why would a christian school have an atheist anything ? Why would a christian school have need of anything in direct violation of the tenants of their faith ? Theyre not attempting to be inclusive they are specifically being exclusive.
Would a jew go to a muslim school ? Would it admit one ? You're being silly, knock it off.

[USFREEDOM911]

And ?
Why would a christian school have an atheist anything ? Why would a christian school have need of anything in direct violation of the tenants of their faith ? Theyre not attempting to be inclusive they are specifically being exclusive.
Would a jew go to a muslim school ? Would it admit one ? You're being silly, knock it off.

No - no, she really means it.
She truly believes that everyone should have to accommodate everybody else; except for Islamists and they can just act the way the want, with no repercussions.

[christiefan915]

And ?
Why would a christian school have an atheist anything ? Why would a christian school have need of anything in direct violation of the tenants of their faith ? Theyre not attempting to be inclusive they are specifically being exclusive.
Would a jew go to a muslim school ? Would it admit one ? You're being silly, knock it off.

Why wouldn't a school want to let its students explore all information and views that they're going to encounter throughout life? How is learning about other religions or no religion at all a violation of faith?

We all study things in school which we may not approve of or be particularly interested in but it still contributes to our overall knowledge. Knowledge is power.

[christiefan915]

Note to self: ban freedumb from future threads.

[USFREEDOM911]

Note to self: ban freedumb from future threads.

Note to self: Treat Christie as if she's a 5 year old child, otherwise she'll cry, take her ball, and run away.

[Damocles]

He ends with nonsense. Private colleges are not the state.

[christiefan915]

He ends with nonsense. Private colleges are not the state.

That wasn't the point of the article.

[leaningright]

Yeah, well, they are "Christian" schools. I definitely keep my kid from doing and experiencing many things. He has restrictions on what he wears, watches and listens to. Mine is a Christian household. I wouldn't expect any less from so called "Christian" schools.

[Damocles]

That wasn't the point of the article.

It was the conclusion of the OP, and my post was a simple identification of a fallacy in the post.