Russians, Lebanese , Kurds and Iranians turn tide of Syrian conflict

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Report;

Fall of Sheikh Maskin to government forces cuts off rebel supply routes while securing regime's hold on Deraa province.

Rami Khouri, from the American University of Beirut, told Al Jazeera that military help from Russia, Iran, and Hezbollah over the past year had turned the tide for government forces.

"Without these three support groups, the Syrian government would probably have vanished because they were really in bad shape about a year ago," said Khouri.

"There's a shifting pattern of control on the ground and it's important because when the [peace] talks go ahead in Geneva, and if they achieve ceasefires, who controls more land will gain more political, economic, and humanitarian power."

Juan Cole, a Middle East analyst at the University of Michigan, told Al Jazeera that recent gains by government forces in Syria's south were significant, considering rebels once controlled about 70 percent of Deraa province.

Cole also underscored Russia's role in the advance.

"Largely because of Russian air intervention, the rebels are being scattered. Things have just turned around 180 degrees for the regime since the Russians came in … Now there is a significant reversal that will affect the rebels' logistics," said Cole.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/0...040829177.html

Why have the Russians, Lebanese, Kurds and Iranians had such successes ? It seems that the rebel factions, including ISIL, were being militarily and financially supported by Turkey. It took the Russians to expose this. Why ? Shouldn't the Turks be expelled from NATO ?

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Israeli defense minister says ISIS funded with ‘Turkish money’

https://www.rt.com/news/330204-israel-turkey-isis-oil/

Well now.............

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Can't expel Turkey, they control the bosphorus. Gotta keep that in NATO or else the damned commies gonna take them.

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Why have the Russians, Lebanese, Kurds and Iranians had such successes ? It seems that the rebel factions, including ISIL, were being militarily and financially supported by Turkey. It took the Russians to expose this. Why ? Shouldn't the Turks be expelled from NATO ?

A nuclear war?

http://atimes.com/2016/01/turkey-nat...n-with-russia/

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Can't expel Turkey, they control the bosphorus. Gotta keep that in NATO or else the damned commies gonna take them.

So how does NATO react to NATO members who support NATO's opponents, Turkey as a case in point.

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A nuclear war?

http://atimes.com/2016/01/turkey-nat...n-with-russia/

NATO's ' all for one ' policy is looking like it needs a rewrite.

How about rewriting it so that NATO members who are proven aggressors are not automatically supported ?

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So how does NATO react to NATO members who support NATO's opponents, Turkey as a case in point.

They were probably prodded by us to act in such a way in the first place.

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^ Shi'a crescent. add in Russia which now has a logistical and strategic relationship with Iran.
Of course the kurds are Sunni Muslim, but also Shi'a Muslim and Sufism (Shi'a)..

Assadi is Alawite -normally heretical for Shi'a - but not compared to Sunni
Hezbollah in Lebanon ( and brigades in Syria) is Shi'a - an Iranian proxie.

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They were probably prodded by us to act in such a way in the first place.

To what end ? Where is the advantage in surreptitiously supporting one side against the side which you are overtly supporting ? It would be the politics of hell.

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Can't expel Turkey, they control the bosphorus. Gotta keep that in NATO or else the damned commies gonna take them.

Not to mention the Sea of Marmara and the Dardanelles. They are also a nation of over 70 million people that is the Gateway to Asia Minor.

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To what end ? Where is the advantage in surreptitiously supporting one side against the side which you are overtly supporting ? It would be the politics of hell.

Turkey perceived the Kurds, especially the PKK, to be the greater enemy until fairly recently when Daesh started a terrorist campaign in Turkey.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ravellers.html

http://www.dailysabah.com/politics/2...y-to-pay-price

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Turkey perceived the Kurds, especially the PKK, to be the greater enemy until fairly recently when Daesh started a terrorist campaign in Turkey.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ravellers.html

http://www.dailysabah.com/politics/2...y-to-pay-price

That's as good conjecture as any. Another is that Turkey and ISIL are in cahoots;

YPG-Turkish Conflict[edit]

Turkey has long observed the PYD as a Syrian extension of the Turkish pro-Kurdish terrorist network PKK, and has therefore taken a hardline against group insisting that they will not allow a Kurdish state to form along their southern border with Syria. Following major YPG successes in 2015, notably the capture of Tell Abyad, Turkey began indiscriminately targeting YPG forces in northern Syria.[24]

In 2016, following the capture of Tishrin Dam, allowing the SDF to cross the River Euphrates, a proclaimed 'red line' by Turkey. Turkish forces bombed the Kurdish YPG headquarters in Tell Abyad destroying three armoured vehicles and injuring two Kurdish fighters.[70] The following day, 21 January 2016, Kurdish troops crossed the border with Syria and entered the ISIS-controlled Syrian border town of Jarabulus which the YPG had been planning on capturing as part of an offensive to unite their areas of control into one continuous banner of territory. The lack of ISIS resistance to the Turkish incursion has raised speculation of co-operation between the Turkish state and the ISIS terror organisation.[71]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rojava_conflict

I'm interested to know if the Russians will support the Kurdish state. That appears to be one form of payback for Erdogan's attack on Russians within Syria- while the Russians were attacking ISIL.

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That's as good conjecture as any. Another is that Turkey and ISIL are in cahoots;



I'm interested to know if the Russians will support the Kurdish state. That appears to be one form of payback for Erdogan's attack on Russians within Syria- while the Russians were attacking ISIL.

So who are doing all the suicide bombings in Turkey if not Daesh? The Turks have waged war against the PKK for nearly 40 years, it's nothing new!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdis...0%93present%29

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So who are doing all the suicide bombings in Turkey if not Daesh? The Turks have waged war against the PKK for nearly 40 years, it's nothing new!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdis...0%93present%29

Frankly- I don't have a zlotyworth of an idea. I doubt that even the bomb-makers know who's using their merchandise. It's a logic-free cauldron of human failings.

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Frankly- It's a logic-free cauldron of human failings.

Very similar to your parents failings in raising the little limp-wristed pussy fag that you turned out to be.