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    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    Asking ILA tough questions confuses him, that is why he censors and limits conversation. Take note of his threads, since he bans everyone there is no conversation.
    Responding to Watermark's troll post as though it is serious supposition is a surefire way to be taken seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Pauper View Post
    Responding to Watermark's troll post as though it is serious supposition is a surefire way to be taken seriously.
    I must be missing something? What is this Watermark stuff about? Explain?


    ILA, if this were a private forum, it would be by invitation etc. Anyone can register here. Stop censoring and I'll stop calling you out. Anyone who denies access to the conversation is censoring, kinda simple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    I must be missing something? What is this Watermark stuff about? Explain?


    ILA, if this were a private forum, it would be by invitation etc. Anyone can register here. Stop censoring and I'll stop calling you out. Anyone who denies access to the conversation is censoring, kinda simple.
    Watermark is the name of the poster currently calling himself Patriotic American.....general consensus of both liberals and conservatives is that he lacks the intelligence to make a comment worth replying to......Trinity members throw him an occasional marrow bone to gnaw on as they know his father has cut his allowance to sub-subsistence level in hopes of getting him out of his basement.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    "By an accident of birth, I fall into the White Guy category. To keep this on a positive note, let’s call it my brand. And that means that if other people with my outward characteristics do dumb-ass things, it reflects on my brand." Scott Adams

    White conservative Americans have become an embarrassment. I know that's not politically correct, but face it folks we are starting to look like a nation of idiots. Think about that for a minute. Our white conservative Congress is voting again to repeal healthcare, you know healthcare that is slavery. Texas Governor Greg Abbott wants to make America Somalia, no need to obey federal laws - articles of Confederation redux. Kansas Governor Brownback bought into the insane idea idea that reducing taxes brings forth magic. Now the state is a mess. Kansas is just one state run by a white conservative republican. Was Brownback alive in 2008 and 2009 or was he lost in some imaginary supply side universe. Laffer is so appropriate a name.

    What's the matter with white America is the question of the day. Recently a group of white militia conservatives took over a garage sized nature center in Oregon because they have the mental acuity of a spoiled five year old. Give children guns and they soon think they are warriors. Reminds you of a five year old who won't come in for dinner. One wonders what the idiots will do when tourist season arrives, maybe they'll give 'take over nation' demonstrations one garage at a time. If another American had asked for this land it would be welfare, how is it America belongs to the select few white Americans? The nation's Indians should tell them they're way late.

    Then we have Maine Governor Paul LePage, of course everyone knows racism is alive and well in America, that is except white Americans, they think they are colorblind, try really hard to forget their narratives. Didn't a Marxist Kenyan president change all that. One can only wonder at the level of insanity when a woman becomes president. She is white, will that help? Are you kidding me. Anyone watch the Benghazi hearing. If hate required a face there were plenty of opportunities. Can you spell just plan nuts. And Deez even got some votes.

    Anyone watching the republican debates would marvel at the level of dialogue, when it isn't the same reduce taxes on corporations and the wealthy and the economic genie will appear, they are upping each other like some chest pumping pretend wrestler, bomb em all. Bomb em all, bomb em all, is it fear, paranoia, everything has become Munich. Have any of them served in the military, had they maybe a rational thought would arrive.

    Have you seen the crowds at Trump rallies, cheering the blond platitude, an inherited real-estate developer, now the darling of white conservative America. Trump engages in so much hyperbole, historians and sane media journalists now require therapy. While Nazi references are badly overused by these conservative republicans, recently a Muslim woman stood up and was escorted to door, that wasn't the proper sign of allegiance to a mountebank wearing a trite slogan. Remember the Gay soldier. Booing in this crowd is a substitute for thought.

    And this comedy of white conservative sloganeering would just be funny until someone like Governor Rick Snyder poisons the people of Flint, Michigan to save a buck. Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker isn't just dumb, he wants all the citizens of Wisconsin on an equal level. Why fund education when anyone who isn't as extreme as you is just not conservative enough. How many teachers does Governor Rick Perry want to fire, he can't remember that either. And then there is Rick Scott. Any need to go on.

    Have you noticed none of the republican governors support education. This would be funny until you look at the warriors in Oregon, or the tea party signs to keep government out of their medicare, or poisoned water, add tornadoes and floods which only matter if you happen to be in one. Education is power, it is feared by the powerful for it focuses attention on cause rather than aimless finger pointing. Pay close attention to Governors and candidates who listen the likes of the Koch brothers or Sheldon Adelson.

    "If we held the White House, taxes would be lower, spending slowed and the military strengthened...." Governor Nikki R. Haley of South Carolina responds to the SOTU. She forgot 'freedom.' If a listener read history they know how often these same words are used, and they'd know too how meaningless they are. Can you spell voodoo or oligarchy.

    Idiocy mixed with fear is so dangerous a mindset, anyone find those WMDs or witness the wonderful spread of democracy in the Middle East? If you have, let the rest of America know. So long as big money buffoons, corporate lobbies, think tanks that do anything but think exist, militiamen armed with AK15s isn't a reality show, it is reality.

    It would give solace to the sane American if after President Obama's term, sanity in America returned, but given the House under 'missing a heart Ryan' is still voting to end slavery, aka healthcare, no hope is in sight. It has to be clear now, elect a conservative white governor and your state gets dumber, you lose healthcare, your environment is polluted, and your state goes into massive debt. All the while they throw out, weakness, appeasement, surrender, Chamberlain, again and again, is there any hope white America.

    If anyone has an idea on how sane white Americans, who still believe in a land of promise, inclusion, fairness, and accomplishment can separate themselves from dumb white America. Please, please let America know. By the way, suggested forehead tattoos, would help but people do occasionally change. Imagine for a minute the Donald's audience cheering bigotry, slogans waving, 'make America great again', Palin rambling, dissenting Americans booed, and you witness the absurd theater white conservative republicans have created. And so it goes....

    Source Information:

    http://blog.dilbert.com/post/1368794...hite-guy-brand
    http://www.alternet.org/story/150392...ors_in_america
    http://www.salon.com/2016/01/14/than...movement_look/
    http://historynewsnetwork.org/article/156038
    https://aeon.co/opinions/why-bullshi...aughing-matter


    Reading

    'Dog Whistle Politics: How Coded Racial Appeals Have Reinvented Racism and Wrecked the Middle Class' by Ian Haney López
    'The Rhetoric of Reaction: Perversity, Futility, Jeopardy' Albert O. Hirschman
    'Invisible Hands: The Businessmen's Crusade Against the New Deal' Kim Phillips-Fein
    'It's Even Worse Than It Looks: How the American Constitutional System Collided With the New Politics of Extremism' by Thomas E. Mann, Norman J. Ornstein
    'Lies My Teacher Told Me: Everything Your American History Textbook Got Wrong' by James W. Loewen
    'Idiot America: How Stupidity Became a Virtue in the Land of the Free' by Charles P. Pierce
    'Liberty Under Siege: American Politics, 1976-1988' by Walter Karp
    'Merchants of Doubt: How a Handful of Scientists Obscured the Truth on Issues from Tobacco Smoke to Global Warming' by Naomi Oreskes, Erik M. M. Conway
    'American High: The Years of Confidence, 1945-1960' by William L. O'Neill
    'A Bubble in Time: America During the Interwar Years, 1989-2001' by William L. O'Neill
    'Coming Apart: An Informal History of America in the 1960s' by William L. O'Neill


    'The American conservative has become a sort of trained bumpkin, they outsource their work and pay them nothing and he unconsciously blames government when she doesn't blame some racial or ethnic group. Years of training have made them puppets. One could say corporate puppets, the corporations play them like children. Has the conservative always been this naive a tool of others? Maybe they have, for power knows all you need to do is have an enemy to occupy them. When it isn't government it's progress, or for some conservatives it's another human being of difference. I guess when one's mind is empty of education or history, it gives comfort to know satan caused all that is wrong. Satan can be whatever the powers that be tell them. No need to name names' mc5


    And I give you this idiot to add to the point. http://www.sltrib.com/home/3441922-155/story.html
    Wow. This article lost me at "By an accident of birth, I fall into the White Guy category." Who in the world wants to read about some guy who hates himself?

    NEXT!!

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    Maybe this thread should have read, 'Republicans are amazingly ignorant and anti-American Values.' One wonders how these morons will treat adultery, pornography, etc etc. The curious thing is this one dumb state to start with so adding another level of dumb is hardly surprising. This too will be overruled as American bigots waste time and money discriminating against other Americans. The same people call for freedom but what they really mean is something much different. Imagine instead educating Mississippians, wouldn't that move them past the 15th century.

    http://msbusiness.com/2014/01/report...e-51st-nation/

    "Written by Republican Philip Gunn, speaker of the Mississippi House of Representatives, the law claims to provide protections to people, religious organizations or private groups who hold a “sincerely-held religious belief” or “moral conviction” that marriage is the union of one man and one woman, that sexual relations should take place only inside such marriages, and that the terms “male” or “female” refer to individuals’ “immutable biological sex.”

    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/new...ligious-881656

    Freedom?

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2007/11/...gy-of-freedom/
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    'Sam Brownback declares war on Kansas'

    When you manage the minds of the children you manage the society. Ultra conservatives want a Maoist like red state, the irony of Mao's red book is that Kansas, and the American right, now imitate communist China. Color oddly invokes similarity. Education must no longer be liberal, inclusive, and rational, science has no place in a conservative educated America. Control requires robots and robots only accept and follow the party line. While America fights ISIS, who desire a religious state, America's caliphate grows in republican run, conservative states, places where law now means you only have to obey law if it fits into your religion ideology. The American right is slowly destroying a wonderful democratic experiment.

    http://www.salon.com/2016/04/12/sam_...and_democracy/

    "Looking just at education, in 2015 there were 172 measures introduced in 42 states based on ALEC model legislation, according to the Center for Media and Democracy. The general goal being to “… transform public education from a public and accountable institution that serves the public into one that serves private, for-profit interests.” With public education commonly comprising a significant portion of state budgets, this dovetails nicely with ultraconservative legislation focused on drastically shrinking government and reducing taxes."

    Add Mississippi and North Carolina to states that have lost the democratic spirit. Another historic incident similar to conservative republican control of knowledge is Lysenkoism. It set back communist Russia just as the control of education sets back America. Republicans today curiously emulate communism's control of information and science.


    "The only way to settle questions of an ideological nature or controversial issues among the people is by the democratic method, the method of discussion, of criticism, of persuasion and education, and not by the method of coercion or repression. To be able to carry on their production and studies effectively and to arrange their lives properly, the people want their government and those in charge of production and of cultural and educational organizations to issue appropriate orders of an obligatory nature. It is common sense that the maintenance of public order would be impossible without such administrative regulations. Administrative orders and the method of persuasion and education complement each other in resolving contradictions among the people. Even administrative regulations for the maintenance of public order must be accompanied by persuasion and education, for in many cases regulations alone will not work." Mao Tse Tung, 'On the Correct Handling of Contradictions Among the People (February 27, 1957)
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    "Maricopa County, the state’s most populous, had slashed the number of polling places to 60, from 200 in 2012, claiming a need for budget savings and leaving thousands of voters waiting long hours into the night, with some giving up in despair.

    The Justice Department is investigating this electoral disaster, including charges that minority voters were particularly harmed. Critics blame the Supreme Court for weakening the Voting Rights Act, which used to subject regions with a history of discrimination, Maricopa County among them, to prescreening by the Justice Department before they could make major changes in voting procedures. Had that provision remained operational, the Maricopa fiasco might have been averted."

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/17/op...cant-vote.html

    "The most contentious of the usual canons of theory preference is that of conservatism. Above, I expressed it as the policy of choosing the hypothesis that best squares with what you already have reason to believe, but actually I myself defend an even bolder version: prefer the hypothesis that best squares with what you already do believe, reasonably or not. That is the really contentious version; critics who do not mind simplicity, testability, fruitfulness and the rest sometimes balk at conservatism in this bolder sense, because it sounds particularly dogmatic, bigoted, pigheaded." William G. Lycan http://www.unc.edu/~ujanel/PCPC.pdf


    More Republican Politicians Than Trans People Have Been Arrested For Sex Acts in Bathrooms

    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendl...-in-bathrooms/
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    Whenever people talk about deregulating anything, don't eat, or drink, or buy it.

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/04/20...ests-seen.html

    And whenever politicians tell you they are going to reduce taxes make sure you know who benefits.

    http://www.cbpp.org/research/lessons...ssive-tax-cuts
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    The one thing that becomes clear when watching the conservative republicans is just like online republican conservatives all they ever do is whine that someone or another, usually government, isn't paying enough attention to them. Like children they miss the fact they are citizens who do nothing constructive or even useful for the American people. And yet the likes of Paul Ryan wonder at the rise of the wonder boy Donald Trump. What Trump will actually do is a mystery should a miracle occur in November. And so it goes....

    'The GOP-dominated Congress can't seem to legislate its way out of a paper bag. But it can do this dumb stuff.'

    "On Thursday, the Guardian reported on Facebook’s methods for manipulating what topics show up in the Trending widget. In doing so, the paper revealed that the company relies primarily on the top stories that are running on 10 major outlets. Two of these outlets are Fox News and the Wall Street Journal. But Facebook usually looks for stories that are leading on five of the 10 news sites. So while the company has conservative news sources in its mix, the fact there are so few means it won’t carry stories on the topics that animate conservatives, like how Obama is the most lawless president ever or Obamacare is the greatest imposition on freedom since slavery was abolished."

    http://www.salon.com/2016/05/16/here...ayer_money_on/
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    Sucking Islamist dick is more embarrassing.

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    Note the intelligent reply above. Is there any wonder conservatism is a constant failure and a useless ideology.

    An book from the past is still worth a read, check out 'Conservatives Without Conscience' by John W. Dean. Any easy read but it details well the empty ideology some call conservative.

    "Conservatives are inclined to use the powers of government to prevent change or to limit its rate to whatever appeals to the more timid mind. In looking forward, they lack the faith in the spontaneous forces of adjustment which makes the liberal accept changes without apprehension, even though he does not know how the necessary adaptations will be brought about." Friedrich Hayek, Why I Am Not a Conservative

    "Conservatives are inclined to use the powers of government to prevent change or to limit its rate to whatever appeals to the more timid mind. In looking forward, they lack the faith in the spontaneous forces of adjustment which makes the liberal accept changes without apprehension, even though he does not know how the necessary adaptations will be brought about." Friedrich Hayek, Why I Am Not a Conservative
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    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    That makes no sense, there may be something there but it is hidden to all. Please clarify.

    PS please stop censoring freedom of speech in America, allow everyone to chime in on your threads, and maybe then you'd learn clarity.
    I seriously doubt that. You might be trolling on this one thread but ILA has made one huge mockery of APP with his trolling. I've complained to the Mods about ILA's trolling APP and several have agreed his trolling defeats the purpose of APP. Several other Mods view ILA as their pet Monkey and find his antics cute.

    The fact that ILA is rarely engaged in meaningful debate in APP because it's so glaringly obvious that he's only interested in trolling is the proof of the pudding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    "By an accident of birth, I fall into the White Guy category. To keep this on a positive note, let’s call it my brand. And that means that if other people with my outward characteristics do dumb-ass things, it reflects on my brand." Scott Adams

    White conservative Americans have become an embarrassment. I know that's not politically correct, but face it folks we are starting to look like a nation of idiots. Think about that for a minute. Our white conservative Congress is voting again to repeal healthcare, you know healthcare that is slavery. Texas Governor Greg Abbott wants to make America Somalia, no need to obey federal laws - articles of Confederation redux. Kansas Governor Brownback bought into the insane idea idea that reducing taxes brings forth magic. Now the state is a mess. Kansas is just one state run by a white conservative republican. Was Brownback alive in 2008 and 2009 or was he lost in some imaginary supply side universe. Laffer is so appropriate a name.

    What's the matter with white America is the question of the day. Recently a group of white militia conservatives took over a garage sized nature center in Oregon because they have the mental acuity of a spoiled five year old. Give children guns and they soon think they are warriors. Reminds you of a five year old who won't come in for dinner. One wonders what the idiots will do when tourist season arrives, maybe they'll give 'take over nation' demonstrations one garage at a time. If another American had asked for this land it would be welfare, how is it America belongs to the select few white Americans? The nation's Indians should tell them they're way late.

    Then we have Maine Governor Paul LePage, of course everyone knows racism is alive and well in America, that is except white Americans, they think they are colorblind, try really hard to forget their narratives. Didn't a Marxist Kenyan president change all that. One can only wonder at the level of insanity when a woman becomes president. She is white, will that help? Are you kidding me. Anyone watch the Benghazi hearing. If hate required a face there were plenty of opportunities. Can you spell just plan nuts. And Deez even got some votes.

    Anyone watching the republican debates would marvel at the level of dialogue, when it isn't the same reduce taxes on corporations and the wealthy and the economic genie will appear, they are upping each other like some chest pumping pretend wrestler, bomb em all. Bomb em all, bomb em all, is it fear, paranoia, everything has become Munich. Have any of them served in the military, had they maybe a rational thought would arrive.

    Have you seen the crowds at Trump rallies, cheering the blond platitude, an inherited real-estate developer, now the darling of white conservative America. Trump engages in so much hyperbole, historians and sane media journalists now require therapy. While Nazi references are badly overused by these conservative republicans, recently a Muslim woman stood up and was escorted to door, that wasn't the proper sign of allegiance to a mountebank wearing a trite slogan. Remember the Gay soldier. Booing in this crowd is a substitute for thought.

    And this comedy of white conservative sloganeering would just be funny until someone like Governor Rick Snyder poisons the people of Flint, Michigan to save a buck. Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker isn't just dumb, he wants all the citizens of Wisconsin on an equal level. Why fund education when anyone who isn't as extreme as you is just not conservative enough. How many teachers does Governor Rick Perry want to fire, he can't remember that either. And then there is Rick Scott. Any need to go on.

    Have you noticed none of the republican governors support education. This would be funny until you look at the warriors in Oregon, or the tea party signs to keep government out of their medicare, or poisoned water, add tornadoes and floods which only matter if you happen to be in one. Education is power, it is feared by the powerful for it focuses attention on cause rather than aimless finger pointing. Pay close attention to Governors and candidates who listen the likes of the Koch brothers or Sheldon Adelson.

    "If we held the White House, taxes would be lower, spending slowed and the military strengthened...." Governor Nikki R. Haley of South Carolina responds to the SOTU. She forgot 'freedom.' If a listener read history they know how often these same words are used, and they'd know too how meaningless they are. Can you spell voodoo or oligarchy.

    Idiocy mixed with fear is so dangerous a mindset, anyone find those WMDs or witness the wonderful spread of democracy in the Middle East? If you have, let the rest of America know. So long as big money buffoons, corporate lobbies, think tanks that do anything but think exist, militiamen armed with AK15s isn't a reality show, it is reality.

    It would give solace to the sane American if after President Obama's term, sanity in America returned, but given the House under 'missing a heart Ryan' is still voting to end slavery, aka healthcare, no hope is in sight. It has to be clear now, elect a conservative white governor and your state gets dumber, you lose healthcare, your environment is polluted, and your state goes into massive debt. All the while they throw out, weakness, appeasement, surrender, Chamberlain, again and again, is there any hope white America.

    If anyone has an idea on how sane white Americans, who still believe in a land of promise, inclusion, fairness, and accomplishment can separate themselves from dumb white America. Please, please let America know. By the way, suggested forehead tattoos, would help but people do occasionally change. Imagine for a minute the Donald's audience cheering bigotry, slogans waving, 'make America great again', Palin rambling, dissenting Americans booed, and you witness the absurd theater white conservative republicans have created. And so it goes....

    Source Information:

    http://blog.dilbert.com/post/1368794...hite-guy-brand
    http://www.alternet.org/story/150392...ors_in_america
    http://www.salon.com/2016/01/14/than...movement_look/
    http://historynewsnetwork.org/article/156038
    https://aeon.co/opinions/why-bullshi...aughing-matter


    Reading

    'Dog Whistle Politics: How Coded Racial Appeals Have Reinvented Racism and Wrecked the Middle Class' by Ian Haney López
    'The Rhetoric of Reaction: Perversity, Futility, Jeopardy' Albert O. Hirschman
    'Invisible Hands: The Businessmen's Crusade Against the New Deal' Kim Phillips-Fein
    'It's Even Worse Than It Looks: How the American Constitutional System Collided With the New Politics of Extremism' by Thomas E. Mann, Norman J. Ornstein
    'Lies My Teacher Told Me: Everything Your American History Textbook Got Wrong' by James W. Loewen
    'Idiot America: How Stupidity Became a Virtue in the Land of the Free' by Charles P. Pierce
    'Liberty Under Siege: American Politics, 1976-1988' by Walter Karp
    'Merchants of Doubt: How a Handful of Scientists Obscured the Truth on Issues from Tobacco Smoke to Global Warming' by Naomi Oreskes, Erik M. M. Conway
    'American High: The Years of Confidence, 1945-1960' by William L. O'Neill
    'A Bubble in Time: America During the Interwar Years, 1989-2001' by William L. O'Neill
    'Coming Apart: An Informal History of America in the 1960s' by William L. O'Neill


    'The American conservative has become a sort of trained bumpkin, they outsource their work and pay them nothing and he unconsciously blames government when she doesn't blame some racial or ethnic group. Years of training have made them puppets. One could say corporate puppets, the corporations play them like children. Has the conservative always been this naive a tool of others? Maybe they have, for power knows all you need to do is have an enemy to occupy them. When it isn't government it's progress, or for some conservatives it's another human being of difference. I guess when one's mind is empty of education or history, it gives comfort to know satan caused all that is wrong. Satan can be whatever the powers that be tell them. No need to name names' mc5


    And I give you this idiot to add to the point. http://www.sltrib.com/home/3441922-155/story.html
    I cannot, in good conscience, be anything but Conservative and I absolutely LOVE being white. My family's white (no adoptive siblings), my friends are all white, there's only two non-whites on my entire block, and the vast majority of my family and friends are Conservative.

    It doesn't get much better than this, so why in the hell would I ever say that I'm white by accident? Unless, of course, I'm a malcontent and I hate both my life and myself.
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    I cannot, in good conscience, be anything but Conservative and I absolutely LOVE being white. My family's white (no adoptive siblings), my friends are all white, there's only two non-whites on my entire block, and the vast majority of my family and friends are Conservative.

    It doesn't get much better than this, so why in the hell would I ever say that I'm white by accident? Unless, of course, I'm a malcontent and I hate both my life and myself.
    No one is white, white is a social construct based on skin tone, biology and evolution in other words. Stand next to a white car if you doubt that. Every one is conservative and liberal and everything in between. Again that is another immaterial construct made up to separate people in America. But I can't tell if you are being facetious? If you're brave get a DNA test and see just how ??? you are.

    No nation was ever founded by conservatives, no positive policy was ever created by conservatives, in order to do something, anything, they'd have to stop whining and pointing fingers, but then what would they to be.


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