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    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    I am? That's news to me.
    Not much you two actually disagree on content wise

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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    oh you want to play


    you want me to repeat the story about what happens to you if you show up at my door?


    just go find my old posts about It and beat off to that one.


    they still are true and it would be the same.



    I'm not going to make you new bater storys


    use the old ones


    then clean off the computer after so you Mom doesnt have to this time
    Is that the post where you said republicans are racists who cheat on elections? I think I remember that one...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Irish View Post
    The OP has to do be the dumbest poster on JPP.
    theres that irony again
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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    you see telling posters on your own site you will use the information you have on us to threaten us makes you really foolish
    post 16

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaz View Post
    Is that the post where you said republicans are racists who cheat on elections? I think I remember that one...
    and you did it again racist fuck

    with a russian dictators help

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rune View Post
    theres that irony again
    Shut up cunt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    Desh....you still in the Las Vegas area or are you back in Southern Cali?
    I'm schizophrenic,and so am I

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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...s-conservatism



    Republicans Have Overestimated the Conservatism of the Base

    I live in Donald Trump country. Maury County, Tenn. — like much of the South — was dominated by the Democratic party until just a few short years ago. Tennessee’s legislature didn’t flip red until 2008, and my own legislative district in my own “conservative” county was blue until 2010. Tennessee didn’t change dramatically between 2004 (when Democrats were in total control of state government) and 2011 (when control flipped to Republicans), but national politics changed. And — as Donald Trump is proving — they can change again.

    If there is a consistent refrain among former Democrats (and there are lots in the South), it echoes Ronald Reagan: They didn’t leave the Democratic party; the Democratic party left them. That means many things, but it does not mean that they’re small government, constitutional conservatives. It means that while they may have been attitudinally “Tea Party,” they were never on board with the core substance of the movement.

    So, what do my Trump-supporting neighbors prioritize? It’s a reasonable approximation of the “three-legged stool” of Reagan Republicanism, but with important philosophical distinctions from true movement conservatives.

    First, there’s patriotism, but it’s not a patriotism that implies or mandates a particular foreign policy or national-security philosophy. It’s embodied in a deep love for this country and a desire to defeat its enemies, but no particular commitment either to intervention or isolationism. They’re repulsed by the Left’s mindless multiculturalism and elite’s disdain for America, but they’re foreign-policy pragmatists. Fight when it’s smart, and don’t let political correctness get in the way of national defense.

    As the New York Times noted, a significant portion of Trump’s support comes from “a certain kind of Democrat.” Next, there’s cultural conservatism, but it’s not the cultural conservatism of the evangelical Right. In other words, they don’t really care what anyone else does with their lives, but they’re unwilling to join the sexual revolution either personally or politically. They’re not crusaders in either direction, but they perceive the Left as attempting to draft them into a movement they find personally distasteful. When Bill Clinton said abortion should be “safe, legal, and rare,” he was tapping into this mindset — speaking to those who dislike abortion but aren’t willing to place it at the centerpiece of their politics.

    Finally, there’s a commitment to economic opportunity, but it’s not embodied by intellectual devotion either to free markets or to small government. You won’t hear former Democrats crying out for social-security reform or changes to Medicare — unless those changes make the system more stable and reliable. And southern voters have proven that they’re more than willing to hand out generous, targeted tax breaks and subsidies to pull manufacturing out of the North or to welcome Japanese automakers to their new, union-free homes in Dixie. Call it “corporate welfare” all you want, but these new Republicans simply don’t care.

    Immigration is a potent political issue because it hits each of these concerns. The patriot worries about the impact on national security. The cultural conservative is concerned about assimilation and contemptuous of the Left’s reassuring multicultural platitudes. And a flood of low-skill workers depresses wages and limits economic opportunity and stability. Combine these concerns with the South’s (and industrial North’s) longstanding willingness to embrace colorful, larger-than-life political figures, and it’s easy to see why Trump’s support map looks like this:

    New York Times Trump Support Map Indeed, as the New York Times noted, a significant portion of Trump’s support comes from “a certain kind of Democrat,” and he currently stands ready to pull up to 20 percent of Democratic support from Hillary Clinton.

    More Donald Trump Thanks to Lawsuit, Cruz's Eligibility to Continue Being Stupid Issue We Have to Talk About House GOP Gets Its 'Bold Conservative Agenda' as Fear of Cruz Nomination Grows On Economic and Social Issues, Trump Is No Conservative The GOP underestimated Trump in part because it overestimated the conservatism of its own southern, rural northern, and Midwestern base. It underestimated the extent to which many of its voters hadn’t so much embraced the corporate conservatism of the Chamber of Commerce or the constitutional conservatism of the Tea Party as much as they had rejected the extremism of the increasingly shrill and politically correct Left. And, yes, the size of this population calls into question the very process of building a national Republican electoral majority, but it also threatens Democrats who seem intent on drumming every blue-collar white male straight out of the party.

    At present, Donald Trump’s greatest electoral danger (at least in the GOP primary) is that his supporters are so alienated from both parties that they disproportionately choose to stay home. But if they turn out, and he can escape with a win in Iowa, the early primary calendar is largely a march through Trump country. America may end up with three distinct ideological movements: the progressive Left, the constitutional Right, and populist core that will now say of both political parties: I didn’t leave you. You left me.
    It is obviously a complex, multi-faceted issues that defies simple explanations.

    But, if I could boil it down to a sound bite, this would be it: white southerners were never against the welfare state, the public commons, and government investments in infrastructure and social welfare. I do not think there was a region of the country that benefited more from FDR's New Deal than the south.

    I think they liked it....as long as white people were benefiting.

    When there was a perception that blacks would benefit from social welfare in the 1960s Great Society, well.....that pissed off whitey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    they are not democrats


    they are he right wing

    they are the Bush voters

    Idiots who vote for stupid things because fox tells lies to them and they fear people of color .

    yes we left their butts in the dirt.


    we don't want a racist party


    you lapped them up
    That’s the wrong question Desh. Have Democrats underestimated the conservative base? They sure did in 2016.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    what's the next step for someone after they become completely unhinged/unglued?
    Supporting Trump
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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    they are not democrats

    No they underestimate us, unlike the fascist Democrat party we don't have a rigged primary system and we will vote them out if they don't govern on the same policies that they ran on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    That’s the wrong question Desh. Have Democrats underestimated the conservative base? They sure did in 2016.
    and how many years have I been warning about the escalating cheating


    they have not won an election in years


    they have cheated the people

    now with an enemies help

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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    and how many years have I been warning about the escalating cheating

    Your fascist party rigged their own party, actively collaborated with the FSB through Fusion GPS, and has been engaged in a slow coup attempt since Nov. 9th.

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