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    Default have the republicans overestimated the conservative base

    they are not democrats


    they are he right wing

    they are the Bush voters

    Idiots who vote for stupid things because fox tells lies to them and they fear people of color .

    yes we left their butts in the dirt.


    we don't want a racist party


    you lapped them up

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    http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...s-conservatism



    Republicans Have Overestimated the Conservatism of the Base

    I live in Donald Trump country. Maury County, Tenn. — like much of the South — was dominated by the Democratic party until just a few short years ago. Tennessee’s legislature didn’t flip red until 2008, and my own legislative district in my own “conservative” county was blue until 2010. Tennessee didn’t change dramatically between 2004 (when Democrats were in total control of state government) and 2011 (when control flipped to Republicans), but national politics changed. And — as Donald Trump is proving — they can change again.

    If there is a consistent refrain among former Democrats (and there are lots in the South), it echoes Ronald Reagan: They didn’t leave the Democratic party; the Democratic party left them. That means many things, but it does not mean that they’re small government, constitutional conservatives. It means that while they may have been attitudinally “Tea Party,” they were never on board with the core substance of the movement.

    So, what do my Trump-supporting neighbors prioritize? It’s a reasonable approximation of the “three-legged stool” of Reagan Republicanism, but with important philosophical distinctions from true movement conservatives.

    First, there’s patriotism, but it’s not a patriotism that implies or mandates a particular foreign policy or national-security philosophy. It’s embodied in a deep love for this country and a desire to defeat its enemies, but no particular commitment either to intervention or isolationism. They’re repulsed by the Left’s mindless multiculturalism and elite’s disdain for America, but they’re foreign-policy pragmatists. Fight when it’s smart, and don’t let political correctness get in the way of national defense.

    As the New York Times noted, a significant portion of Trump’s support comes from “a certain kind of Democrat.” Next, there’s cultural conservatism, but it’s not the cultural conservatism of the evangelical Right. In other words, they don’t really care what anyone else does with their lives, but they’re unwilling to join the sexual revolution either personally or politically. They’re not crusaders in either direction, but they perceive the Left as attempting to draft them into a movement they find personally distasteful. When Bill Clinton said abortion should be “safe, legal, and rare,” he was tapping into this mindset — speaking to those who dislike abortion but aren’t willing to place it at the centerpiece of their politics.

    Finally, there’s a commitment to economic opportunity, but it’s not embodied by intellectual devotion either to free markets or to small government. You won’t hear former Democrats crying out for social-security reform or changes to Medicare — unless those changes make the system more stable and reliable. And southern voters have proven that they’re more than willing to hand out generous, targeted tax breaks and subsidies to pull manufacturing out of the North or to welcome Japanese automakers to their new, union-free homes in Dixie. Call it “corporate welfare” all you want, but these new Republicans simply don’t care.

    Immigration is a potent political issue because it hits each of these concerns. The patriot worries about the impact on national security. The cultural conservative is concerned about assimilation and contemptuous of the Left’s reassuring multicultural platitudes. And a flood of low-skill workers depresses wages and limits economic opportunity and stability. Combine these concerns with the South’s (and industrial North’s) longstanding willingness to embrace colorful, larger-than-life political figures, and it’s easy to see why Trump’s support map looks like this:

    New York Times Trump Support Map Indeed, as the New York Times noted, a significant portion of Trump’s support comes from “a certain kind of Democrat,” and he currently stands ready to pull up to 20 percent of Democratic support from Hillary Clinton.

    More Donald Trump Thanks to Lawsuit, Cruz's Eligibility to Continue Being Stupid Issue We Have to Talk About House GOP Gets Its 'Bold Conservative Agenda' as Fear of Cruz Nomination Grows On Economic and Social Issues, Trump Is No Conservative The GOP underestimated Trump in part because it overestimated the conservatism of its own southern, rural northern, and Midwestern base. It underestimated the extent to which many of its voters hadn’t so much embraced the corporate conservatism of the Chamber of Commerce or the constitutional conservatism of the Tea Party as much as they had rejected the extremism of the increasingly shrill and politically correct Left. And, yes, the size of this population calls into question the very process of building a national Republican electoral majority, but it also threatens Democrats who seem intent on drumming every blue-collar white male straight out of the party.

    At present, Donald Trump’s greatest electoral danger (at least in the GOP primary) is that his supporters are so alienated from both parties that they disproportionately choose to stay home. But if they turn out, and he can escape with a win in Iowa, the early primary calendar is largely a march through Trump country. America may end up with three distinct ideological movements: the progressive Left, the constitutional Right, and populist core that will now say of both political parties: I didn’t leave you. You left me.

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    you guys can climb into little hidey holes all you want



    you can not control the information and facts everywhere.



    you merely dig your own graves by disrespecting the rights of others so you can hide your failures and shame

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    I also find this a good and informative read and very similar to thinking that I've held for some time now. Southern Democrats, and there are many, aren't very keen on large interventionist government. And they're not into the paranoia and hate that the Republicans demonstrate so often and so clearly. It will certainly be more interesting in the next 40 or so years to see just how this all works out in the national political debate. One thing is for certain. "Conservatism" as it is known today is a present or soon to be dinosaur.








    How many of those Reagan dems are actually still alive?


    they were the old racist dems who forgot to change parties when the southern strategy took place

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    Desh....you appear to be having a conversation with yourself.
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    Has desh overestimated jpps willingness to read her threads?
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    Trump democrats wtf? Man this election is fucking weird






    its not weird its a lie

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    these voers are the racists who left the party long ago for not being racist anymore

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    Desh even though you think I'm a sociopath you have to promise one day youll get stoned with me and buy me in in out
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    dude I would do just that


    you would likely be cracking the fuck up the whole time.


    If I could look you in the eyes you would be a different person within a month dude.



    so sad it will never actually take place

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    Never say never desh. I travel a lot 0_0
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Bateman View Post
    Desh even though you think I'm a sociopath you have to promise one day youll get stoned with me and buy me in in out
    it will never happen

    remember I said that damo

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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    dude I would do just that


    you would likely be cracking the fuck up the whole time.


    If I could look you in the eyes you would be a different person within a month dude.



    so sad it will never actually take place
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