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    Question Question for Pro Lifers

    Why do you always issue the caveat that you oppose all abortions except in the cases of incest or rape?

    If you truly believe the fetus is a human life with all the rights associated with a human life, then why allow this exemption?

    It's not the child's fault that it is a rape baby, or an incest baby. So why would you be willing to condemn it for something beyond it's control?

    Is it your belief that the condition of the mother in these circumstances trumps the sanctity of the baby's life?

    Why are the mothers conditions feelings able to trump the sacred life in one circumstance, but not another?

    Seems like an inconsistent viewpoint imo.


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    It is an intelligent question, and one I will give some more thought to during my first break at work today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karma Police View Post
    Why do you always issue the caveat that you oppose all abortions except in the cases of incest or rape?

    If you truly believe the fetus is a human life with all the rights associated with a human life, then why allow this exemption?

    It's not the child's fault that it is a rape baby, or an incest baby. So why would you be willing to condemn it for something beyond it's control?

    Is it your belief that the condition of the mother in these circumstances trumps the sanctity of the baby's life?

    Why are the mothers conditions feelings able to trump the sacred life in one circumstance, but not another?

    Seems like an inconsistent viewpoint imo.
    I oppose all abortions but my wife has never had one and until there’s a constitutional amendment to protect the life of the unborn I don’t want the feds involved in the abortion issue. If there is any authority over abortions, it’s surely at the State level in my opinion.

    I don’t have to be pro-government authoritarian to be pro-life. I’m pro-life but the government is the last place I expect to conduct moral competency. The very issue you propose is why government needs to butt out. The “equality” government pretends to protect is seldom equal and most often terribly biased and often idiotic.

    Since I do believe there is a God, I have no reservations that God will take care of the abortion issue. I think Democrats & Republicans have much, much more to worry about that God will expect answers for than just abortion like those unnecessary unconstitutional wars and those abortions and mass killings thereof, don’t you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karma Police View Post
    Why do you always issue the caveat that you oppose all abortions except in the cases of incest or rape?

    If you truly believe the fetus is a human life with all the rights associated with a human life, then why allow this exemption?

    It's not the child's fault that it is a rape baby, or an incest baby. So why would you be willing to condemn it for something beyond it's control?

    Is it your belief that the condition of the mother in these circumstances trumps the sanctity of the baby's life?

    Why are the mothers conditions feelings able to trump the sacred life in one circumstance, but not another?

    Seems like an inconsistent viewpoint imo.
    Because the essence of conservatism is "personal responsibility". The mother is responsible to the child if she has sex willingly, but not if it forced on her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right View Post
    Because the essence of conservatism is "personal responsibility". The mother is responsible to the child if she has sex willingly, but not if it forced on her.
    So how does that make the unborn child "personally responsible" and the one to suffer the consequences of death? And what "personal responsibility" should government assign to the rapist? Should it be like cutting off of the dick?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Classic Liberal View Post
    So how does that make the unborn child "personally responsible" and the one to suffer the consequences of death? And what "personal responsibility" should government assign to the rapist? Should it be like cutting off of the dick?
    This scenario, first of all, is designed to be a political weapon against the right-to-life stance. In the question of rape a responsible woman would get the police involved immediately, and she would be taken to the hospital to have evidence collected and then have a discussion with her doctor about what to do with the pregnancy. She'd probably take a morning after pill and that would be that.

    In the case on incest, all sorts of problems occur with inbreeding. Again a responsible girl would realize what happened is wrong and seek legal remedy, hence medical remedy would be forthcoming.

    That being said, we conservatives tend to be pragmatic. Yes, life begins at conception but reasonable people understand that in the first few weeks of pregnancy the fetus isn't viable, isn't thinking, isn't going to experience pain. Very few people support the hard-line stance that liberals claim is the conservative stance on this issue.

    Now if a woman gets raped and takes the child to 6 months and then wants an abortion my stance is that abortion would be murder. Again, this goes back to personal responsibility in that the woman should have done something about it long previous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karma Police View Post
    Why do you always issue the caveat that you oppose all abortions except in the cases of incest or rape?

    If you truly believe the fetus is a human life with all the rights associated with a human life, then why allow this exemption?

    It's not the child's fault that it is a rape baby, or an incest baby. So why would you be willing to condemn it for something beyond it's control?

    Is it your belief that the condition of the mother in these circumstances trumps the sanctity of the baby's life?

    Why are the mothers conditions feelings able to trump the sacred life in one circumstance, but not another?

    Seems like an inconsistent viewpoint imo.
    It's because they see pregnancy as a way to discourage women from having sex. It's a sort of punishment just like HPV and venereal diseases. But if a woman is raped or if it's incestuous, which usually involves some sort of coercion, then it's not really her fault even if it is God's will.
    Leviticus 19:33 And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not do him wrong. 34 The stranger that sojourneth with you shall be unto you as the homeborn among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right View Post
    Because the essence of conservatism is "personal responsibility". The mother is responsible to the child if she has sex willingly, but not if it forced on her.
    There it is.
    Leviticus 19:33 And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not do him wrong. 34 The stranger that sojourneth with you shall be unto you as the homeborn among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karma Police View Post
    Why do you always issue the caveat that you oppose all abortions except in the cases of incest or rape?

    If you truly believe the fetus is a human life with all the rights associated with a human life, then why allow this exemption?

    It's not the child's fault that it is a rape baby, or an incest baby. So why would you be willing to condemn it for something beyond it's control?

    Is it your belief that the condition of the mother in these circumstances trumps the sanctity of the baby's life?

    Why are the mothers conditions feelings able to trump the sacred life in one circumstance, but not another?

    Seems like an inconsistent viewpoint imo.

    I don't make exceptions for rape or incest for the reasons you highlight. As far as I am concerned the reason the abortion issue remains a hot button issue is because of the way it was decided. The left likes to say that the American people are with them on abortion, yet they are afraid to leave it up to the people.

    I believe in States rights and if that runs afoul of my personal beliefs, then so be it.

    At the end of the day whether you agree with Roe v Wade from an abortion standpoint, it was bad Constitutional law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right View Post
    This scenario, first of all, is designed to be a political weapon against the right-to-life stance. In the question of rape a responsible woman would get the police involved immediately, and she would be taken to the hospital to have evidence collected and then have a discussion with her doctor about what to do with the pregnancy. She'd probably take a morning after pill and that would be that.

    In the case on incest, all sorts of problems occur with inbreeding. Again a responsible girl would realize what happened is wrong and seek legal remedy, hence medical remedy would be forthcoming.

    That being said, we conservatives tend to be pragmatic. Yes, life begins at conception but reasonable people understand that in the first few weeks of pregnancy the fetus isn't viable, isn't thinking, isn't going to experience pain. Very few people support the hard-line stance that liberals claim is the conservative stance on this issue.

    Now if a woman gets raped and takes the child to 6 months and then wants an abortion my stance is that abortion would be murder. Again, this goes back to personal responsibility in that the woman should have done something about it long previous.
    You have invalidated the conservative argument against abortion.

    If it's okay to abort a fetus that is not yet viable or one that MIGHT suffer problems due to inbreeding then you have justified the vast majority of abortions which happen well before viability and most of the rest where it is KNOWN that there will problems.
    Leviticus 19:33 And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not do him wrong. 34 The stranger that sojourneth with you shall be unto you as the homeborn among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasa Diga Eebowai View Post
    You have invalidated the conservative argument against abortion.

    If it's okay to abort a fetus that is not yet viable or one that MIGHT suffer problems due to inbreeding then you have justified the vast majority of abortions which happen well before viability and most of the rest where it is KNOWN that there will problems.

    So do you think a woman should be able to abort a baby the day before her due date?

    If a pregnant woman is killed, why is it often a double homicide?

    Don't these arguments invalidate the left wing position?

    Why do lefties always try to hasten death for everyone except themselves?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasa Diga Eebowai View Post
    You have invalidated the conservative argument against abortion.

    If it's okay to abort a fetus that is not yet viable or one that MIGHT suffer problems due to inbreeding then you have justified the vast majority of abortions which happen well before viability and most of the rest where it is KNOWN that there will problems.
    I am pragmatic on his issue. If accepting limited abortions on early term rape and incest pregnancies, or any for that matter, and it prevents abortions after the first trimester, then many lives will be saved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I Love America View Post
    So do you think a woman should be able to abort a baby the day before her due date?

    If a pregnant woman is killed, why is it often a double homicide?

    Don't these arguments invalidate the left wing position?

    Why do lefties always try to hasten death for everyone except themselves?
    I don't much care if you put a limit on .0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 % of abortions. Sure, no abortions the day before your due date, unless it is medically necessary.

    Why does the Bible say that killing a fetus should not be treated like a homicide? Did you steal this argument from Big Dummy or vice versa?

    I don't know what you think THE left wing position is nor do I really care. I am a libertarian and oppose your authoritarian positions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karma Police View Post
    Why do you always issue the caveat that you oppose all abortions except in the cases of incest or rape?

    If you truly believe the fetus is a human life with all the rights associated with a human life, then why allow this exemption?

    It's not the child's fault that it is a rape baby, or an incest baby. So why would you be willing to condemn it for something beyond it's control?

    Is it your belief that the condition of the mother in these circumstances trumps the sanctity of the baby's life?

    Why are the mothers conditions feelings able to trump the sacred life in one circumstance, but not another?

    Seems like an inconsistent viewpoint imo.
    Great point counselor; it makes much more sense to view ALL fetuses as disposable inconveniences and rationalize it as a personal choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasa Diga Eebowai View Post
    It's because they see pregnancy as a way to discourage women from having sex. It's a sort of punishment just like HPV and venereal diseases. But if a woman is raped or if it's incestuous, which usually involves some sort of coercion, then it's not really her fault even if it is God's will.
    You really are THAT incredibly stupid.
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