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    Cspan: Iraq War debate yesterday. Senate floor.

    Senator Lindesy Graham defines success in iraq. Or victory. Whatever word they're using these days:


    "A stable, functioning government that can defend itself and deter Iran".


    That's what Iraq had before we invaded, Senator Graham.

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    Victory? We're soaking in it. We're there. That was the plan.

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    Takes me back to a lengthy debate I had w/ SR on the old site, where he argued vehemently that the only way to return Iraq & its many "savages" to stability would be with a brutal, strong-armed dictator.

    And he STILL said invading was the right thing to do.

    Reality has gotten so weird during the Bush years...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Onceler View Post
    Takes me back to a lengthy debate I had w/ SR on the old site, where he argued vehemently that the only way to return Iraq & its many "savages" to stability would be with a brutal, strong-armed dictator.

    And he STILL said invading was the right thing to do.

    Reality has gotten so weird during the Bush years...
    Wow.
    Excellence is an art won by training and habituation. We do not act rightly because we have virtue or excellence, but rather we have those because we have acted rightly. We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act but a habit.
    - -- Aristotle

    Believe nothing on the faith of traditions, even though they have been held in honor for many generations and in diverse places. Do not believe a thing because many people speak of it. Do not believe on the faith of the sages of the past. Do not believe what you yourself have imagined, persuading yourself that a God inspires you. Believe nothing on the sole authority of your masters and priests. After examination, believe what you yourself have tested and found to be reasonable, and conform your conduct thereto.
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    It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Onceler View Post
    Takes me back to a lengthy debate I had w/ SR on the old site, where he argued vehemently that the only way to return Iraq & its many "savages" to stability would be with a brutal, strong-armed dictator.

    And he STILL said invading was the right thing to do.

    Reality has gotten so weird during the Bush years...
    Yeah, I remember that. You know what? It didn't shock me. SR isn't the only con on message boards who talks like that.

    You'd be suprised that even given all we know, how many cons will still claim invading iraq was a good idea, its just that Bush mucked it up. That's the new talking point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Onceler View Post
    Takes me back to a lengthy debate I had w/ SR on the old site, where he argued vehemently that the only way to return Iraq & its many "savages" to stability would be with a brutal, strong-armed dictator.

    And he STILL said invading was the right thing to do.

    Reality has gotten so weird during the Bush years...
    I remember when he went on that tangent. For a good while there he had written off an entire nationality as "savages" and barbarians. It was hilarious.

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    SR completely fell apart before our eyes from an occasionally reasonable conservative Republican to a complete racist loon.

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    I wonder how his Iraq soujourn will turn out....
    Didn;t he enlist to go to Iraq ?
    Bush doubled the debt from 5 trillion to 10 trillion.
    Proving tax cuts work!

    Bush asked for and signed for the TARP money.
    The Republican senate leader backed Bush on this.

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