Christian groups sue to stop Kansas schools from adopting science standards

[Timshel]

Many creationist believe that any teaching of science is an attack on their faith and a form of religion. The argument is not different than when the Catholic church suppressed heliocentricism.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/09/2...nce-standards/


According to a statement on the Pacific Justice Institute’s website, the teaching of science in all of the state’s public schools could create “a hostile learning environment for those of faith.” The institute — which purports to defend “religious freedom, parental rights and other civil liberties” — is challenging the fact that the new science standards do not give equal weight to the Christian creation myth.
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Another group, the Citizens for Objective Public Education (COPE, Inc.) filed suit on Sep. 26 demanding that the new curricula not be instituted. In a press release, CORE said that the science standards would “will have the effect of causing Kansas public schools to establish and endorse a non-theistic religious worldview,” which the group said is a violation of the First and Fourteenth Amendments of the U.S. Constitution.

But not all believers argue such things or are hostile to science.

http://www.bjconline.org/index.php?o...754&Itemid=134

Is the science of evolution atheist? Surely not, right? Nothing about the theory of natural selection is incompatible with a belief in a higher power. Some in Kansas apparently believe otherwise, however, and have filed a lawsuit challenging the state's science curriculum for, it claims, promoting a non-theistic religious view.

The Associated Press has more:

The lawsuit argues that the new standards will cause Kansas public schools to promote a "non-theistic religious worldview" by allowing only "materialistic" or "atheistic" explanations to scientific questions, particularly about the origins of life and the universe. The suit further argues that state would be "indoctrinating" impressionable students in violation of the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution's protections for religious freedom.

So, let me get this straight. Every time the public school science curriculum properly refuses to teach creationism, it is guilty of teaching a religious world view? That makes no sense. Evolution is a well-established explanation in the scientific community. Teaching it in science class is not teaching a religious view in violation of church-state separation.

It sounds like proponents would prefer teaching no science at all? Should we just throw up our hands and say, to every question, "we don't know?" Will that be the science education of the 21st Century if arguments like this one prevail?

[tekkychick]

Kansas used to be a much more sane state....

[anatta]

evolution is a solid science built on theorys, ( the scientific method, if i recall) to form a theorum. In other words more then a philosphy, like Creationism.

If you want to teach Creationism, as science you'd have to provide some empirical evidence - there isn't any.

While I've heard evolution criticized for no transitional species in the fossil record and such, it (along with natural selection) stands up under critique.
http://lofi.forum.physorg.com/What-a...eory_2691.html

[evince]

organized religion showing why it should not be organized

[tekkychick]

organized religion showing why it should not be organized

very nice!

[Lorca]

I find it very hypocritical (or conveniently forgetful) that the same science that allows us to fly in airplanes or cures cancer doesnt keep most Christians from flying and getting cancer treatment. By no means do we know everything about cancer, yet they bet their lives on medicinal science in droves.

[NOVA]

Many creationist believe that any teaching of science is an attack on their faith and a form of religion. The argument is not different than when the Catholic church suppressed heliocentricism.

Heliocentricism is the concept that the sun is the center of the universe.
LOL....IN FACT....the sun in NOT the center of the universe...though it is the center of our Milky Way galaxy...

Kansas used to be a much more sane state....

A few lunatic creationists bring suit against this school and you condemn the entire state of Kansas ?

organized religion showing why it should not be organized

That don't even make sense....

I find it very hypocritical (or conveniently forgetful) that the same science that allows us to fly in airplanes or cures cancer doesnt keep most Christians from flying and getting cancer treatment. By no means do we know everything about cancer, yet they bet their lives on medicinal science in droves.

Very few Christians are not 'creationist'...and really, wtf do cancer treatment or flying in an airplane have to do with being a Christian ?

[Lorca]

Very few Christians are not 'creationist'...and really, wtf do cancer treatment or flying in an airplane have to do with being a Christian ?

I'm a practicing Christian and I am not a creationist. And I know many many others the same.

And the analogies for science were pretty clear. What part didnt you understand? You cant pick and choose what science you want to believe and what science you dont. Either the set of standards and practices that the scientific community has set works for the safety and functioning of society or it doesnt. That's how they determine if planes are safe, buildings will remain standing up, medicines are safe to cure people, etc.

[NOVA]

I'm a practicing Christian and I am not a creationist. And I know many many others the same.

And the analogies for science were pretty clear. What part didnt you understand? You cant pick and choose what science you want to believe and what science you dont. Either the set of standards and practices that the scientific community has set works for the safety and functioning of society or it doesnt. That's how they determine if planes are safe, buildings will remain standing up, medicines are safe to cure people, etc.

You cant pick and choose what science you want to believe and what science you dont.?

Sure you can.....AlGores climate change was bogus, just like I claimed years ago.....lol

And none of it has anything to do with being or not being a Christian.

[Timshel]

Heliocentricism is the concept that the sun is the center of the universe.
LOL....IN FACT....the sun in NOT the center of the universe...though it is the center of our Milky Way galaxy...



A few lunatic creationists bring suit against this school and you condemn the entire state of Kansas ?



That don't even make sense....



Very few Christians are not 'creationist'...and really, wtf do cancer treatment or flying in an airplane have to do with being a Christian ?

Lol... center of the galaxy. No it is the center of the solar system, which is what heliocentrism suggests, or that the sun was at the center of the earth's (and other planets) orbit.

Lots of Christians reject creationism as used here to mean those who reject the theory evolution.

[Lorca]

You cant pick and choose what science you want to believe and what science you dont.?

Sure you can.....AlGores climate change was bogus, just like I claimed years ago.....lol

And none of it has anything to do with being or not being a Christian.

Wut? Climate change is bogus? (Al's version is different than the prevalent thinking?)

LOL, you are a classic example!

hahahahaha