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    Quote Originally Posted by Beefy View Post
    I've always known that the Dixie's and the Toby's and the other hacks were clowns, shot, and not something to worry abut. But now, Desh and Maineman are beating the drums to go to war.Welcome to hell. There is no more voice of reason. The same kneejerk shit that put us into the last 10 wars is at play again. I guess there is no sanity, no concern, no care for our kids.
    I am certainly not beating any drums, beefy.

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    Except for the fact that the UN will not be involved... why is the proposed action in Syria any different than what occurred in Libya?

    Why are people so much more up in arms about this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Threedee View Post
    I think there's been a growing level of opposition to Libya. Overall, it appears that people are disillusioned with the Arab Spring, and view it as a failure.
    You still have not answered my question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maineman View Post
    I am certainly not beating any drums, beefy.
    Apparently taking a nuanced view and thinking it's complicated means one is beating the drums....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    Except for the fact that the UN will not be involved... why is the proposed action in Syria any different than what occurred in Libya?

    Why are people so much more up in arms about this?
    Not having the UN involved IS a red flag....

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    Quote Originally Posted by tekkychick View Post
    Not having the UN involved IS a red flag....
    So to you Russia and China's veto's are significant to the value of the mission?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    So to you Russia and China's veto's are significant to the value of the mission?
    It's a big difference from Libya; we don't have a group of nations doing it so far. Diplomacy is hard.

    At least Russia did come up with an alternative; I am hoping that works out.

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    I really have to stop seeing both sides, by the way; it would be so much easier if I could just argue one side of the issue!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Threedee View Post
    I think there's been a growing level of opposition to Libya. Overall, it appears that people are disillusioned with the Arab Spring, and view it as a failure.
    That is because the dumb mutherfuckers thought that Jefferson and Madison existed in the middle east. They thought that the people of the Arab world are going to overthrow Islam and embrace democracy and freedom of religion, that women would roan the nations in bikinis and that Imams would be out of work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Socrtease View Post
    That is because the dumb mutherfuckers thought that Jefferson and Madison existed in the middle east. They thought that the people of the Arab world are going to overthrow Islam and embrace democracy and freedom of religion, that women would roan the nations in bikinis and that Imams would be out of work.
    There is no reason to think they won't, it just wont occur immediately after democracy. How long did WE have to work for full enfranchisment?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Minamoto Yoshitsune View Post
    There is no reason to think they won't, it just wont occur immediately after democracy. How long did WE have to work for full enfranchisment?
    Without a reformation, Islam is stuck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Socrtease View Post
    That is because the dumb mutherfuckers thought that Jefferson and Madison existed in the middle east. They thought that the people of the Arab world are going to overthrow Islam and embrace democracy and freedom of religion, that women would roan the nations in bikinis and that Imams would be out of work.
    how long has it taken us to get where we are today vs. where we were under Jefferson and Madison?
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    "Scientists don't use "averages". Maybe armchair supertools on message boards ascribe some meaning to "averages" between two random data points. And maybe clueless amatuers "draw a straight line" through two random end data points to define a "trend". Experts don't.

    They use mean annual and five year means in trend analysis. Don't tell me I have to explain the difference to you. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Socrtease View Post
    Without a reformation, Islam is stuck.
    Maybe so, but there are rather liberal sects, people who carry the Ottoman tradition of tolerance, etc.
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    What Desh, Mainman, and some of the other liberals want to see happen to Libia.

    SEDITION: incitement of resistance to or insurrection against lawful authority.


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