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    Nation of Immigrants
    Can America rediscover its open-borders roots?
    Shikha Dalmia from the July 2013 issue


    Every country has its mythology. America’s is that we are a “nation of immigrants.” The Statue of Liberty, the country’s most iconic monument, stands tall in New York Harbor, welcoming “your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free.” If the United States had been true to these ideals, its history would have been a simple tale of openness and acceptance. The real story is far more complex.


    For the first half of its existence, America had virtually open borders. That stopped in the late 19th century, when the first major restrictions were introduced to stem the tide of incoming Asians. The country then slammed its doors shut around 1925 after anti-immigration animus, which had always bubbled beneath the surface, boiled over in the form of quotas based on national origins, among other things. For the first time, federal bureaucrats inserted themselves between willing American employers and willing foreign workers, placing strict limits on both the total number of immigrants and the number from each country.


    Ever since then, every time the country has opened its door to one set of immigrants, it has rebuffed another. The upshot is a mishmash of contradictory laws that can’t keep up with the desires of individuals or the needs of the American economy.


    Since the 1960s, immigration laws in theory have favored family reunification and labor-force augmentation. In practice, naturalized Americans have to endure up to a two-decade wait before they can bring even certain blood relatives into the country. High-tech employers can’t meet even half their need for foreign workers, who also have to wait decades to gain permanent residency.


    Yet the tech sector has it easy compared to the agricultural, hospitality, and construction industries. Their demand for foreign laborers is even greater, but the work visas available are both fewer and less usable. And contrary to popular belief, there is no “line” for poor or low-skilled foreign workers seeking to gain permanent residency.


    All of this has helped create a massive unauthorized population whose fate is polarizing the country. In short, virtually every aspect of the U.S. immigration system is broken. It is out of sync with American ideals and American needs.


    We have a choice between raising the barricades further and ejecting people already here or moving toward a more open system that allows more human and labor-market freedom. If we go the first route, the price will be paid not just by poor foreigners who are literally dying to make a better living but also by the economy. Civil liberties will be degraded, along with our sense of humanity.


    According to a recent study by the National Foundation for American Policy, immigrant deaths at the border rose by 27 percent in 2012 to nearly 500—a result of the crackdown on border towns that has pushed Latin American risk takers ever further out to the dangerous and inhospitable desert. As reason contributor Malia Politzer has noted, between 1997 and 2007 the U.S.–Mexico border was about 10 times deadlier to immigrants than the Berlin Wall was to East Berliners in its entire 28-year existence.


    It is impossible to get a grip on the full economic costs of restrictionism. How does one calculate, for example, the businesses that never form because labor is too expensive? Still, the Texas comptroller estimated in 2006 that although low-skilled unauthorized workers cost the state treasury $504 million more than they paid in taxes in 2005, without them the state’s economy would have shrunk by 2.1 percent, or $17.7 billion.


    But the biggest toll restrictionism takes is on the civil liberties of Americans. You cannot track every movement and activity of every immigrant without imposing similar restrictions on natives who benefit from these immigrants. Abandoning its commitment to welcoming immigrants enshrined in the Statue of Liberty will cost Americans dearly.
    Leviticus 19:33 And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not do him wrong. 34 The stranger that sojourneth with you shall be unto you as the homeborn among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Professor Baxter View Post
    Nation of Immigrants
    Can America rediscover its open-borders roots?
    Shikha Dalmia from the July 2013 issue


    Every country has its mythology. America’s is that we are a “nation of immigrants.” The Statue of Liberty, the country’s most iconic monument, stands tall in New York Harbor, welcoming “your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free.” If the United States had been true to these ideals, its history would have been a simple tale of openness and acceptance. The real story is far more complex.


    For the first half of its existence, America had virtually open borders. That stopped in the late 19th century, when the first major restrictions were introduced to stem the tide of incoming Asians. The country then slammed its doors shut around 1925 after anti-immigration animus, which had always bubbled beneath the surface, boiled over in the form of quotas based on national origins, among other things. For the first time, federal bureaucrats inserted themselves between willing American employers and willing foreign workers, placing strict limits on both the total number of immigrants and the number from each country.


    Ever since then, every time the country has opened its door to one set of immigrants, it has rebuffed another. The upshot is a mishmash of contradictory laws that can’t keep up with the desires of individuals or the needs of the American economy.


    Since the 1960s, immigration laws in theory have favored family reunification and labor-force augmentation. In practice, naturalized Americans have to endure up to a two-decade wait before they can bring even certain blood relatives into the country. High-tech employers can’t meet even half their need for foreign workers, who also have to wait decades to gain permanent residency.


    Yet the tech sector has it easy compared to the agricultural, hospitality, and construction industries. Their demand for foreign laborers is even greater, but the work visas available are both fewer and less usable. And contrary to popular belief, there is no “line” for poor or low-skilled foreign workers seeking to gain permanent residency.


    All of this has helped create a massive unauthorized population whose fate is polarizing the country. In short, virtually every aspect of the U.S. immigration system is broken. It is out of sync with American ideals and American needs.


    We have a choice between raising the barricades further and ejecting people already here or moving toward a more open system that allows more human and labor-market freedom. If we go the first route, the price will be paid not just by poor foreigners who are literally dying to make a better living but also by the economy. Civil liberties will be degraded, along with our sense of humanity.


    According to a recent study by the National Foundation for American Policy, immigrant deaths at the border rose by 27 percent in 2012 to nearly 500—a result of the crackdown on border towns that has pushed Latin American risk takers ever further out to the dangerous and inhospitable desert. As reason contributor Malia Politzer has noted, between 1997 and 2007 the U.S.–Mexico border was about 10 times deadlier to immigrants than the Berlin Wall was to East Berliners in its entire 28-year existence.


    It is impossible to get a grip on the full economic costs of restrictionism. How does one calculate, for example, the businesses that never form because labor is too expensive? Still, the Texas comptroller estimated in 2006 that although low-skilled unauthorized workers cost the state treasury $504 million more than they paid in taxes in 2005, without them the state’s economy would have shrunk by 2.1 percent, or $17.7 billion.


    But the biggest toll restrictionism takes is on the civil liberties of Americans. You cannot track every movement and activity of every immigrant without imposing similar restrictions on natives who benefit from these immigrants. Abandoning its commitment to welcoming immigrants enshrined in the Statue of Liberty will cost Americans dearly.
    GEE, that was real nice; but can you link to anything that says there's anyone promoting an "anti-immigration policy"?
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    Rubio just called for legalization before border security.
    The stone that the builder refused
    Will always be the head corner stone

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    Quote Originally Posted by Topspin View Post
    Rubio just called or legalization before border security.
    Utohhhhh, he didn't get the memo!

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    Maybe neocons found out its the 21st century
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    Quote Originally Posted by USFREEDOM911 View Post
    GEE, that was real nice; but can you link to anything that says there's anyone promoting an "anti-immigration policy"?
    The US House?

    What's funny is that these guys are all against government spending, infrastructure improvements, regulation, and unionized government workers. Unless they're fencing off the country from the rest of the world.

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    I promote an anti-immigration policy. Any well functioning nation should reserve the right to control who enters and lives there. borders and the ability to control them is part of the very definition of nationhood.

    Those promoting unchecked immigration are just using it as a tactic to manipulate the labor market, by glutting the place with workers and driving down wages.

    Our history of immigration doesn't mean we must allow people free access forever. In the past the economy was growing at a clip that could absorb the labor in a better manner. Now we're sending jobs overseas at a stupefying idiotic pace and the economy is shrinking. We should restrict immigration accordingly to avoid a downward death spiral in wages as a result of more and more workers competing over fewer and fewer jobs.

    Suck on that, globalist neocons and liberals alike.

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    Both parties are actually for unrestricted immigration. no mainstream republican i know of is actually against it. They all put business and lowering wages before the wellbeing of current citizens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by USFREEDOM911 View Post
    GEE, that was real nice; but can you link to anything that says there's anyone promoting an "anti-immigration policy"?

    hahahahahahahahahahahahah

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    Quote Originally Posted by AssHatZombie View Post
    Both parties are actually for unrestricted immigration. no mainstream republican i know of is actually against it. They all put business and lowering wages before the wellbeing of current citizens.

    oh really which party has blocked it all these years?

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    Default Anti-immigration policies are incompatible with limited government and freedom

    What is Mexicos immigration policy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    oh really which party has blocked it all these years?
    They may not have legalized it, but nor have they closed the border either. Many illegal workers is perfect for squashing wages.

    You might also want to note that some unions have been against immigration, rightfully so. Those are clear thinking workers rights organizations.

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    we are and will always be a nation of immigrants

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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    we are and will always be a nation of immigrants
    Lather. Rinse. Repeat.

    That's just a slogan you keep repeating to yourself. It's really not rational to allow sloganeering to override your thought process.

    In the past we were growing at a pace where it was ok. Now the economy is shrinking, and policies should change accordingly.

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    no its not a slogan


    we are by the vast majority the children of immigrants

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