Is The Democrat's Agenda Working Out, Or Is It The Democrat's Death Nail?

[Robo]

Reelect your federal Democrat Representatives. The true agenda of the Democrat’s Obama-Care package is becoming evident. Were they smart enough to know Obama-Care was going to be the train wreck that it is? If they were, their next step is to fix it with a “ONE PAYER SYSTEM” i. e. ”AMERICAN SOCIALIZED MEDICINE.” Of course the Democrats are counting on retaking the House in the mid-term elections and keeping the Senate and thereby totally socializing America’s healthcare system. Or, or have the Democrats driven the death nail into their own agenda with the Obama-Care insanity?

[Steelplate]

Public option....like it should have had in the first place. As far as Democratic Blowback? Possibly.

However, I would say the GOP vote on Toomey Manchin is just as damaging to them....people are pissed about it

[Howey]

It should have been single payor to begin with.

[Steelplate]

It should have been single payor to begin with.

It never would have gotten a sniff of passage. You have to be reasonable. A public option would have allowed the majority of the people to keep their coverage while providing for those that have none. However, it would have had to be tied to open competition on pharmaceuticals and Med/Tech equipment.

[Robo]

It’s what we get and what we deserve when the Constitution is ignored by government and the courts. Obama-Care was never, ever constitutional just like all federal social programs are unconstitutional and why they’re all either in the red or headed for financial catastrophe.

“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution nor prohibited by it to the States are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people” (Amendment 10, United States Constitution)

[Steelplate]

It’s what we get and what we deserve when the Constitution is ignored by government and the courts. Obama-Care was never, ever constitutional just like all federal social programs are unconstitutional and why they’re all either in the red or headed for financial catastrophe.

“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution nor prohibited by it to the States are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people” (Amendment 10, United States Constitution)

Neither is Citizen's United.

[Mott the Hoople]

Reelect your federal Democrat Representatives. The true agenda of the Democrat’s Obama-Care package is becoming evident. Were they smart enough to know Obama-Care was going to be the train wreck that it is? If they were, their next step is to fix it with a “ONE PAYER SYSTEM” i. e. ”AMERICAN SOCIALIZED MEDICINE.” Of course the Democrats are counting on retaking the House in the mid-term elections and keeping the Senate and thereby totally socializing America’s healthcare system. Or, or have the Democrats driven the death nail into their own agenda with the Obama-Care insanity?

LOL I love hearing this ignorant and uninformed shit. I bet you couldn't even discuss the Affordable Care Act with out using Fox News and other tabloid talking points.

Dude, if you even knew what you're talking about you'd know that the AFA hasn't even been fully implemented yet and the parts that have been implemented are quite popular and supported widely by the public. Get a clue and at least make an attempt to be informed when you discuss this subject.

[Mott the Hoople]

It should have been single payor to begin with.

It shoud have been but we had assholes like Leiberman who was supposed to be a Democrat who threatened to sabotage the whole deal if there was a public option. A public option is inevetable though. To modernize our health care system and to catch up with the rest of the industrialized world one of two choices will have to be made. We will have to either have a single payer system or we will have to require that all private health insurance companies operate as non-profits. Either way you'll need a public option to make those work.

As for your "death nail".....gee....maybe you haven't noticed but Dems now control the executive branch, the judicial branches of government, the Senate and we're it not for gerrymandering would have control of the house too.......Some death nail. You must not be very good with numbers.

[Liberty]

Reelect your federal Democrat Representatives. The true agenda of the Democrat’s Obama-Care package is becoming evident. Were they smart enough to know Obama-Care was going to be the train wreck that it is? If they were, their next step is to fix it with a “ONE PAYER SYSTEM” i. e. ”AMERICAN SOCIALIZED MEDICINE.” Of course the Democrats are counting on retaking the House in the mid-term elections and keeping the Senate and thereby totally socializing America’s healthcare system. Or, or have the Democrats driven the death nail into their own agenda with the Obama-Care insanity?

I fear that Boehnercare is here to stay.

We should stop calling it Obamacare.

[Falcon]

We're already seeing "mixed results" in regard to Obamacare, and as time passes more of its effects - both positive and negative - will be personally felt by voters.

The American people recognize the bleeding obvious: that while we enjoy the most cutting edge healthcare, it is way too expensive (and unnecessarily so), and is bankrupting families; the federal, state and local governments; making existing employers less competitive; and scaring people away from being independent entrepreneurs. The high cost of healthcare is the prime driver of government, business and personal debt, and the biggest drag on the American economy and job creation.

So will ObamCare, generally seen as a mediocre-to-poor attempt to fix the problem, ultimately hurt the Dems? Not if the Republican offer no alternative but hysterical shrieks of "communism!" "death panels!" "the end of the Republic!" There are in fact much better solutions to healthcare costs available where government would have a much lighter touch than ObamaCare, but Republican lawmakers' patrons in the industry and Tea Party constituents would punish them in the short term if they were to propose them.

[Falcon]

It’s what we get and what we deserve when the Constitution is ignored by government and the courts. Obama-Care was never, ever constitutional just like all federal social programs are unconstitutional and why they’re all either in the red or headed for financial catastrophe.

“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution nor prohibited by it to the States are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people” (Amendment 10, United States Constitution)

Where would the US be today without these federal programs, just for starters: payments for homesteading in the 1800s; GI Bill; savings & loan insurance and oversight (FDIC); federal interstate highway system, roads and bridges; subsidies of rail systems, electricity and water treatment and delivery grids; NASA and the space race; regulation of educational curricula (if not necessarily the Dept of Education), Social Security...? We would not be a modern nation without them, let alone a superpower.

And on each of these programs challenges went to the US Supreme Court where they were determined to be fully "Constitutional." The Founding Fathers didn't create that great document so that we could live forever as 18th Century farmers and homesteaders. The government was meant - and did during the time of our Founding Fathers - to grow with the nation and be a government which fit the needs of the people while preserving and expanding liberty.

We could go on for days with how the above programs are broken, often worse than useless, expensive, inefficient, outdated, etc., etc. That's bureaucracy for you. But the idea that "less government = more liberty" is not true theoretically and most certainly in reality.

[Bonestorm]

Jumping in late here, but I think you're mixing your metaphors with the "death nail" thing. I've heard of "death knell" and "nail in the coffin" but not "death nail."

Hope this helps.

[Robo]

Neither is Citizen's United.

“Congress shall make no law …..abridging the freedom of speech…..(Amendment One, United States Constitution)

Money is “speech” when used to promote or oppose a political candidate or government legislation.

[Robo]

LOL I love hearing this ignorant and uninformed shit. I bet you couldn't even discuss the Affordable Care Act with out using Fox News and other tabloid talking points.

“Affordable Care Act?” Now that’s funny I don’t care who ya are! The ACA is proving out to be the “UN”-Affordable Care Act, huh?

“Fox News?” When did Baucus (Democrat MT) become a Fox News contributor?

Dude, if you even knew what you're talking about you'd know that the AFA hasn't even been fully implemented yet and the parts that have been implemented are quite popular and supported widely by the public. Get a clue and at least make an attempt to be informed when you discuss this subject.

Hey Dude, the parts already implemented i. e. like extending parents HC insurance for adult children and coverage for pre-existing conditions has raised healthcare cost for every American and could have been predicted by Larry, Mo & Curly. Government mandated care always cost more Goober.

The parts to be implemented are now causing small business to cut back working hours on employees to 29 hours so they can be claimed as part time workers and not employer responsibility under the “Un”-Affordable Obama Act. More than half the States are refusing to take the responsibility to set up the “UN”-Affordable Obama Act’s exchanges that Obama and the Democrats want to leave the States holding the financial bag for in the near future. Now even Congressional Democrats are admitting that nobody, but nobody can even understand the fucking mountain of legislation and its thousands of pages. Now even some Congressional Democrats are calling Obama-Care a fucking “train wreck.” Even The GAO is now saying that Obama-Care is going to be much more expensive than originally calculated, Who would have thunk it????? How about Larry, Mo & Curly?

“If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait till it’s free”

[Robo]

Where would the US be today without these federal programs, just for starters: payments for homesteading in the 1800s; GI Bill; savings & loan insurance and oversight (FDIC); federal interstate highway system, roads and bridges; subsidies of rail systems, electricity and water treatment and delivery grids; NASA and the space race; regulation of educational curricula (if not necessarily the Dept of Education), Social Security...? We would not be a modern nation without them, let alone a superpower.

Horseshit!!!!

In the first place our Constitution has an ”Amendment Process” that could have allowed for some of what you present and thereby allowing the States & The People their constitutional say by that process. For other programs you present, the States could have set up them creating a 50 States laboratory of experiments whereby only the best and brightest programs would succeed and remain in effect thereby allowing “the People” to decide for themselves what State they would choose to live in relative to economic conditions and social programs in effect, what Reagan called “voting with their feet.” Americans and America would know what worked and what didn’t work and what the cost was and act accordingly and the fucking federal government would be restricted to the confines of the Constitution as the founders intended providing mail delivery, a national defense, protections against State’s unfair commerce interactions and guaranteeing human and individual rights and only the other things authorized by the Constitutional Articles & Amendments.

And on each of these programs challenges went to the US Supreme Court where they were determined to be fully "Constitutional." The Founding Fathers didn't create that great document so that we could live forever as 18th Century farmers and homesteaders. The government was meant - and did during the time of our Founding Fathers - to grow with the nation and be a government which fit the needs of the people while preserving and expanding liberty.

The Supreme Court is made up of fucking political ideologues appointed by politically ideological politicians and confirmed by same. It’s no curiosity that the Courts have violated their oath of office and the Constitution so many times it should make our heads spin. It’s the most profound defect in our founders otherwise brilliant system. Its arrangement is based in the assumption that Court appointees would always be honest people of integrity affixed to only honoring the Constitution and their sworn duty therewith. Good luck with that!!!!!

We could go on for days with how the above programs are broken, often worse than useless, expensive, inefficient, outdated, etc., etc. That's bureaucracy for you. But the idea that "less government = more liberty" is not true theoretically and most certainly in reality.

“Government is not reason it is not eloquence, its force like fire a troublesome servant and a fearful master. Never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible actions.” (George Washington)

Government is FORCE. Force is most readily susceptible to growth & corruption. The greater the growth, the greater the corruption! Even your average idiot should be able to understand that truism. The proof of it is in the pudding. Simply open your eyes and behold the world’s governments including your own.