Reply With Quotethat's damned hilarious, coming from you and your 2nd Amendment hatred.Originally Posted by ZappasGuitar
High Level of Addiction
Defending the Constitution?
So much for their vaunted claim of "defending the constitution."
It's just great how hypocritical Tightie Righties get to pick and choose which amendments they think are important.
GOP Bill Seeks To Force Welfare Applicants To Waive Fourth Amendment Rights
Rep. Stephen Fincher (R-TN) introduced a bill in the House Friday that would require states that want to receive full funding for welfare assistance to force its citizens to waive their Fourth Amendment rights and submit to random drug testing. In a press release, Fincher describes the Welfare Integrity Act of 2013:
The bill requires each state participating in the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) program to certify that applicants and current recipients are being randomly test for illegal drug use. In order to pass constitutional muster, the bill requires states to provide a consent and waiver form, where applicants are given the choice to waive their Fourth Amendment Rights and submit to a random drug test. If welfare beneficiaries fail a drug test or are arrested on a drug related offense, they will be unable to receive the benefit and cannot reapply for one year. Further, the legislation requires states that receive funding from the TANF program to certify that there is a program in place to test 20% of applicants and recipients for illegal drugs. States that do not comply would forfeit 10% of their TANF funding.
A federal appeals court has already blocked Florida’s mandatory drug-testing law, making it clear a blanket testing of public assistance applicants is likely unconstitutional. “The simple fact of seeking public assistance does not deprive a TANF applicant of the same constitutional protection from unreasonable searches that all other citizens enjoy,” the court held.
In a remarkable acknowledgment of the constitutional problems with the bill, the text of Fincher’s legislation actually calls for states to require citizens to “sign a waiver of constitutional rights with respect to testing.” Fincher suggests in his press release that the waiver is not forced because applicants can opt not to apply for benefits, but the federal appeals court made clear in its recent decision that a coerced waiver violates “the well settled doctrine of ‘unconstitutional conditions,’ the government may not require a person to give up a constitutional right . . . in exchange for a discretionary benefit conferred by the government where the benefit sought has little or no relationship to [the right].” The bill, then, would seek to require every state that wants to maintain its current level of funding to pass its own unconstitutional law.
As the Huffington Post points out, the bill is unlikely to succeed. Similar legislation introduced in 2011 “garned just seven cosponsors and failed to clear a committee.” But state bills that impose drug testing on applicants and beneficiaries are seeing increasing success, and at least seven states have already passed legislation requiring some form of drug testing for public assistance applicants or recipients. Mitt Romney even endorsed the idea during his presidential campaign.
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/201...ndment-rights/
rebel
that's damned hilarious, coming from you and your 2nd Amendment hatred.
A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.
High Level of Addiction
Except I've never claimed I wanted the 2nd amendment repealed, have I?
Once again we see you can't discuss the topic honestly...why do I even try?
rebel
no, you simply say that nobody should be able to carry a gun except military and police, which is essentially the same thing as repealing it.
once again we see you trying to wordsmith your way out of your hypocrisy and failing miserably.
A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.
Senior Member
I have to take a drug test annually (and be available for random testing) in order to keep my job. Am I forfeiting my 4th Amendment rights?
High Level of Addiction
I have NEVER SAID only the police and military should be allowed to carry a gun...that is another bullshit lie!
Once again wee see you resorting to outright LIES in order to make up what you think I believe.
High Level of Addiction
There is a difference between agreeing with the rules of employment required by a private employer and the Federal Government forcing welfare applicants to surrender their 4th amendment rights.
Rune (03-06-2013)
Astraea
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I believe drug testing is an invasion of your right to privacy, even if you agree to it to keep your job. I think it is coercion, you either take the test or lose your job, even though you are not a drug user.
High Level of Addiction
So much for your presumption of innocence...
Phantasmal (03-05-2013), Rune (03-06-2013)
rebel
you lie, plain and simple. you know it, we know it. you should just surrender now, your hypocrisy is showing badly.
A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.
Banned
Welfare scum are employed by the government to live a life of ease, they too should be subject to drug tests, just like soldiers, FBI agents, cops etc.
Drug test one, drug test all.
That's it.
That old EQUALITY thing that YOU totalitarians DESPISE.
High Level of Addiction
Well if I lie, then you should have no problem providing evidence to back up your allegation.
Go...find a single comment from me stating I want ONLY the police and military to carry a gun.
rebel
stop wordsmithing. it makes you look dumber than you already are. by stating that you don't believe anyone should be allowed to carry a gun, you make your intentions and desires very clear.
A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.
High Level of Addiction
If welfare recipients must be drug tested to receive funds, then ALL GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES must be tested to receive a check, from the Governor on down.
Rune (03-06-2013)
Senior Member
I surrender my rights in order to get, and keep, a job.
They can do the same thing to get gov't benefits.
Rune (03-06-2013)
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