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    Default The Price of 'Freedom'...Gun Deaths

    We have a cancer in this country, and they are armed.

    U.S. Gun Deaths Since Sandy Hook Top 1,280



    WASHINGTON -- It was Christmas night when Sincere Smith, 2, found his father’s loaded gun on the living room table of their Conway, S.C., mobile home. It took just a second for Smith’s tiny hands to find the trigger and pull. A single bullet ripped into his upper right chest and out his back.

    His father, Rondell Smith, said he had turned away to call Sincere’s mother, who had left to visit a friend. His back was turned to the toddler, he said, for just that moment.

    Sincere was still conscious when his father scooped him up and rushed him to the hospital, just a few minutes away.

    Eleven hours earlier, Sincere Smith had woken up to Christmas -- the first that he was old enough to appreciate. His father remembered their last morning well -– his son ripping through wrapping paper, squealing with delight with each new gift -- his first bike, a bright toy barn.

    It was quite a sight seeing Sincere so happy around a cloud of crinkled wrapping paper. “We bought him a little barn thing,” Smith said. “He knew what a barn is. He just seen it -– ‘Oh Mommy, Daddy! Barn!’ He went crazy over it. … He lit up like a Christmas tree.”

    Smith, 30, lit up too. “I just wanted to see him open them up,” he said. His own parents were teenagers when they had him. He had vowed to be there for his five children, giving up college and a possible basketball career to take care of them. With Sincere, he promised his wife he’d be a hands-on parent. He said he considered Sincere his best friend.

    The two kept close that day visiting relatives for more presents and a Christmas dinner of chicken and macaroni and cheese. “Everything was normal,” Smith said. “He was happy. Everything was good then.”

    Two weeks earlier, Smith had bought a .38-caliber handgun to protect his family after bandits had tried to break into their home. He doesn’t know what to say about the national gun-control debate. He just wants that lost second back. “I would say, man, keep them out of your house,” he offered. “It’s just. Boy. All it takes is a second. Just a second to turn your head. I don’t know, sir.”

    Sincere died on an ambulance gurney as he was transferred to a second hospital in Charleston.






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    The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.
    John Kenneth Galbraith

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    Wait. There's a lot of white folk pics. I thought it was only the buhlacks getting gunned down?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howey View Post
    Wait. There's a lot of white folk pics. I thought it was only the buhlacks getting gunned down?
    no one has ever said that.
    It is a liberal invention to create the myth that all gun owners are racist.
    Gun deaths include many situations including cops killing criminals.

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    its your image that you present that makes gun people look crazy

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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    its your image that you present that makes gun people look crazy
    My image?
    Challenging falsehoods like the one howey was pushing?
    Honesty is what liberal fanatics call crazy?

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    It is illegal to leave a loaded gun on a coffee table.
    It is the responsibility of every American citizen to own a modern military rifle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bfgrn View Post
    We have a cancer in this country, and they are armed.
    definitely a cancer. I strongly recommend you disarm them, the faster the better.





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    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    its your image that you present that makes gun people look crazy
    We have had roughly 3800 deaths related to car accidents so far since sandy hook. That's 3x times more than those killed by guns. You are far crazier for not wanting to ban cars. You would rather be able to drive around over the dead bodies of people that number greater than all those that died in 9/11, rather than give up your car. That is a fact.

    Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...n_U.S._by_year
    (Took the last 4 years ... which were on the lower end of deaths, average it out to 33k, which is roughly 90 a day... been 43 days = 3887)

    100,000 people die each year from doctors not washing their hands. This is the FOURTH LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH IN AMERICA! That's about 11.5k since sandy hook. More people have died after sandy hook from doctors not washing their hands than almost all gun deaths that will likely happen this year... or very close to it.

    Source: http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com...gh-technology/

    If you REALLY cared about lives, you would redirect your energy. It would likely be FAR easier to get doctors to wash their fucking hands than to do what you want regarding gun control and see our culture of violence go down. You don't give a shit about lives, and I mean that sincerely, otherwise there are MANY OTHER AREAS that need your focus. Instead, this issue is just political for you, and you are more than happy to use the death of children for your own political goals.

    Care about humans? Care about lives? Focus on the big numbers, not the small irrelevant number of gun deaths.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bfgrn View Post
    We have a cancer in this country, and they are armed.

    U.S. Gun Deaths Since Sandy Hook Top 1,280



    WASHINGTON -- It was Christmas night when Sincere Smith, 2, found his father’s loaded gun on the living room table of their Conway, S.C., mobile home. It took just a second for Smith’s tiny hands to find the trigger and pull. A single bullet ripped into his upper right chest and out his back.

    His father, Rondell Smith, said he had turned away to call Sincere’s mother, who had left to visit a friend. His back was turned to the toddler, he said, for just that moment.

    Sincere was still conscious when his father scooped him up and rushed him to the hospital, just a few minutes away.

    Eleven hours earlier, Sincere Smith had woken up to Christmas -- the first that he was old enough to appreciate. His father remembered their last morning well -– his son ripping through wrapping paper, squealing with delight with each new gift -- his first bike, a bright toy barn.

    It was quite a sight seeing Sincere so happy around a cloud of crinkled wrapping paper. “We bought him a little barn thing,” Smith said. “He knew what a barn is. He just seen it -– ‘Oh Mommy, Daddy! Barn!’ He went crazy over it. … He lit up like a Christmas tree.”

    Smith, 30, lit up too. “I just wanted to see him open them up,” he said. His own parents were teenagers when they had him. He had vowed to be there for his five children, giving up college and a possible basketball career to take care of them. With Sincere, he promised his wife he’d be a hands-on parent. He said he considered Sincere his best friend.

    The two kept close that day visiting relatives for more presents and a Christmas dinner of chicken and macaroni and cheese. “Everything was normal,” Smith said. “He was happy. Everything was good then.”

    Two weeks earlier, Smith had bought a .38-caliber handgun to protect his family after bandits had tried to break into their home. He doesn’t know what to say about the national gun-control debate. He just wants that lost second back. “I would say, man, keep them out of your house,” he offered. “It’s just. Boy. All it takes is a second. Just a second to turn your head. I don’t know, sir.”

    Sincere died on an ambulance gurney as he was transferred to a second hospital in Charleston.






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    Quote Originally Posted by I Love America View Post
    The cancer is liberalism
    Then we are no longer America, because our nation was founded by the most liberal thinking men of their day.
    The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bfgrn View Post
    Then we are no longer America, because our nation was founded by the most liberal thinking men of their day.
    why aren't you campaigning for doctors to wash their hands? Even if you reduced the death number by 10%, you would still be saving more lives than even the strictest gun control could ever hope to achieve. You would need to be about 80% successful (which we both know will never be the case) at implementing strict gun control, to save about 10k lives each year due to guns, vs. only needing to be 10% successful to save 10k lives each year from doctors washing their hands.

    Care about lives? Redirect your energy. Stand up for what you pretend to believe in, the lives of human beings.


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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    its your image that you present that makes gun people look crazy
    the surest way to be labeled a terrorist is to go around repeating the words of the founding fathers. i'm in great company, while you're considered a traitor.
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bfgrn View Post
    Then we are no longer America, because our nation was founded by the most liberal thinking men of their day.
    all of which have zero to do with the liberalism of today. YOU are not the classic liberal that the founding fathers were.
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    STY and Grind destroyed the dumb liberal argument

    hats off to both of you

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