Seems to me that when the democratically elected leader of a sovern nation says they can handle it , well we should leave.
yeah I saw that on PBS a while ago.
Iraq's Leader says the Iraqi Police and Army can handle security, anytime we want to leave.
Damn. That talking point about how we supposedly had to stay to "prevent a civil war", sounded pretty good for a while.
NeoCons? Why aren't we withdrawing? Or, do you have another talking point in your back pocket?
Iraq Prime Miniter Malaki: Country can manage without U.S.
By BASSEM MROUE, Associated Press Writer Sat Jul 14, 6:22 PM ET
BAGHDAD - Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki shrugged off U.S. doubts of his government's military and political progress on Saturday, saying Iraqi forces are capable and American troops can leave "any time they want."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070714/...c0VnvSMu2s0NUE
Seems to me that when the democratically elected leader of a sovern nation says they can handle it , well we should leave.
yeah I saw that on PBS a while ago.
Bush doubled the debt from 5 trillion to 10 trillion.
Proving tax cuts work!
Bush asked for and signed for the TARP money.
The Republican senate leader backed Bush on this.
Excellent. Any time we want? Let's go.
Excellence is an art won by training and habituation. We do not act rightly because we have virtue or excellence, but rather we have those because we have acted rightly. We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act but a habit.
- -- Aristotle
Believe nothing on the faith of traditions, even though they have been held in honor for many generations and in diverse places. Do not believe a thing because many people speak of it. Do not believe on the faith of the sages of the past. Do not believe what you yourself have imagined, persuading yourself that a God inspires you. Believe nothing on the sole authority of your masters and priests. After examination, believe what you yourself have tested and found to be reasonable, and conform your conduct thereto.
- -- The Buddha
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
- -- Aristotle
The HOR says the same thing.
Bush doubled the debt from 5 trillion to 10 trillion.
Proving tax cuts work!
Bush asked for and signed for the TARP money.
The Republican senate leader backed Bush on this.
Excellence is an art won by training and habituation. We do not act rightly because we have virtue or excellence, but rather we have those because we have acted rightly. We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act but a habit.
- -- Aristotle
Believe nothing on the faith of traditions, even though they have been held in honor for many generations and in diverse places. Do not believe a thing because many people speak of it. Do not believe on the faith of the sages of the past. Do not believe what you yourself have imagined, persuading yourself that a God inspires you. Believe nothing on the sole authority of your masters and priests. After examination, believe what you yourself have tested and found to be reasonable, and conform your conduct thereto.
- -- The Buddha
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
- -- Aristotle
In all seriousness, this is a PERFECT opportunity for us to leave on our terms. Donald Trump, who I tend to loathe, had one of the best ideas I have heard for Iraq months ago: just declare victory, and leave. We've been staying in large part because we don't want to give terrorists a "victory" by "retreating." Now, we don't have to; we've helped organize a government that now says they are ready to take the reigns, and our work here is done.
Naturally, they won't, because we all know that it wasn't going to be when Iraqis decided it was time for us to go. If nothing else, Bush really is the "decider"...
Exactly what many middle east experts warned you about four years, ago before you invaded.
I'm not a Colin Powell fan, but he basically has it right - it's going to be resolved by a test of arms between sunni and shia...and the U.S. can't really do anything to stop it:
COLIN POWELL, July 2007:
“I tried to avoid this war…I took him (Bush) through the consequences of going into an Arab country and becoming the occupiers.”
“The civil war will ultimately be resolved by a test of arms…It’s not going to be pretty to watch, but I don’t know any way to avoid it. It is happening now.”
“It is not a civil war that can be put down or solved by the armed forces of the United States.” All the military can do, Powell suggested, is put “a heavier lid on this pot of boiling sectarian stew”.
“We have to face the reality of the situation that is on the ground and not what we would want it to be.”
“America’s volunteer army is already overstretched. Bush will be forced to face the situation on the ground and alter course by the end of this year.”
“Al-Qaeda is only 10% of the problem in Iraq and Nouri al-Maliki (prime minister) lacks the political will to establish an effective government.”
On Syria and Iran: “You have to talk to the people you dislike most in this dangerous world.”
“Shi’ites will ultimately prevail because they are 60% of the population and their militias can be pretty violent. They will prevail also because they are determined not to be ruled again by the Sunnis.”
“The Sunnis are struggling for power and survival and it’s going to be resolved by a test of arms. It’s going to be very ugly.”
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