I don't exactly know why you had to be a douche bag when you said all this, but I guess that's just the running theme now..
anyway, I did your test and you're right... but it's not conclusive since I am also right.. and probably 10 other people would be to.. since the positions of the gun,holster,angle of TM's hand,how tight the holster was, the angle of the grip.... etc.. would all bring different outcomes... so thank you for showing me how it could have happened, why you were a dick about it is beyond me though..add in that I said it's a moot point anyway, thus making the 'no DNA' on the gun hardly a reason to indict Z..and your snobbery becomes petty and weak... so what was it's purpose?
secondly, did you try my test while you were being such an ass in your reply to me? Ya know the one about putting a book or wrist brace slightly lower than your armpit.. squeezing it for your life because if you let go, the person may get your gun and kill you... and while squeezing, reaching towards up towards your waist and towards your backpocket/hip area?
it's impossible to do.. your wrist and elbow don't bend that way.. you would have to let go of whatever it is you're squeezing under you arm. If you're honest then you'll concede this... but I won't hold my breath since you're first reply to a neutral and [intended to be] helpful post was to be an asshat because of your uncompromising ideology can't bear anything that isn't in exact line with your thoughts.
while giving your theory a shot...there's something else you need to consider. something you forgot to notice.... you've got to add someone straddling your hips. TM was atop Z remember? His thighs were straddling Z.. no matter how high his 'bottom' was on Z's body(chest,stomach, or pelvis area) , that gun was pinned by either TM's thighs or calves..which would have not only blocked the gun, but squeezed the holster closed more making it that much more difficult for his hand to slide in it and grab the trigger/barrel.. but once again, I don't care about whether he touched the gun, Z's 1st statement didn't mention he touched it. me bringing it up again was just to show how many different scenarios there are besides yours and mine when it comes to whether the grip or the trigger could be reached..
anyway, back to what I was saying.
try it yourself.. have someone straddle you..and put their hand under a little lower than your armpit and squeeze that hand down..now reach for your gun on your waistband while its being squeezed in between your side and the persons straddling you thighs/calves..pull the gun out and fire it.. and never let go of their arm under your armpit.
that gun is pinned and your elbow doesn't bend that way..So how did Z's hand bend to get the gun out of a holster that was pinned to his side while
pinning an arm
under his pit.. all at the same time with the same arm? if your honest you'll admit Z's scenario couldn't have happened the way he said it did.
TM grabbing GZ gun could have happened, you've proven that to me.. but GZ couldn't have pulled his gun and shot TM if the events he described actually happened.
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